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carlkyline
Mar 21, 2007, 8:42 PM
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Say you were belaying your buddy and about 30' up (somehow) they fall. Should you put a crash pad under them(if you have one) or should you catch them or should you turn your head and pray?
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kane_schutzman
Mar 21, 2007, 8:49 PM
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Call Gabe Walker
I doubt you would have any time to react, but hell the only logical thing to do is throw the pad and try to catch them...
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jpartridge78
Mar 21, 2007, 8:49 PM
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Do you mean spotting someone or did your leader put himself into a ground-fall situation?
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kane_schutzman
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jpartridge78 wrote: Do you mean spotting someone or did your leader put himself into a ground-fall situation?
Spotting would be bouldering, he said if you were BELAYING.
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j_ung
Mar 21, 2007, 8:55 PM
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Yeah, but the question actually makes a little sense if you substitute spotting for belaying. Otherwise the answer is, "Give up climbing." Or at least belaying.
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noshoesnoshirt
Mar 21, 2007, 8:55 PM
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You just about have time to say "Oh shit" before they hit the ground.
(Watched a buddy take a 40'er when his gear pulled)
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kane_schutzman
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noshoesnoshirt wrote: You just about have time to say "Oh shit" before they hit the ground. (Watched a buddy take a 40'er when his gear pulled)
IF you were to come climbing with me sometime between April 2-9th, and were to fall, then I would jump underneath you to cushion your impact. So come climbing at HCR you basturd I know you seen my post!
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diophantus
Mar 21, 2007, 9:01 PM
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carlkyline wrote: Say you were belaying your buddy and about 30' up (somehow) they fall. Should you put a crash pad under them(if you have one) or should you catch them or should you turn your head and pray?
kane_schutzman wrote: Spotting would be bouldering, he said if you were BELAYING.
Why would you have a crash pad if you were sport/trad/aid climbing?
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carlkyline
Mar 21, 2007, 9:12 PM
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to answer some of these what i think are dumb questions. yes your leader is about to fall to the ground, no, not bouldering. If you do feel like catching them what do you think is the best way to do so.
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hummm
Mar 21, 2007, 9:20 PM
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Wait... you are belaying.. right? If your partner is leading, then he/she should clip into something at 30', so you catch he/she, they might fall about 20'~. If it is just TR, then you should just lock in and catch your partner.... I really don't think you should let go of the belay/rope and grab the crash pad, or pray.. (ain't going to do you any good... or your partner)
I should stop reading posts on RC, it is making me dumb...
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d1ll1gaf
Mar 21, 2007, 9:22 PM
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In reply to: Why would you have a crash pad if you were sport/trad/aid climbing?
Some areas are a mixture of bouldering and routes, so it is entirely possible that a pair of climbers would have a rope, rack and crash pad.
Sometimes it is nice to have a crashpad beneath you on climbs with an 'easy' start but a bad landing because shit happens.
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boku
Mar 21, 2007, 9:27 PM
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carlkyline wrote: to answer some of these what i think are dumb questions. yes your leader is about to fall to the ground, no, not bouldering. If you do feel like catching them what do you think is the best way to do so.
Not much to add, just wanted to quote this before it was edited.
I think that others raise a very valid point; it's not dumb to wonder why a roped team with a leader 30 feet off the deck would have a crash pad handy. I guess some do, but I've not seen it.
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carlkyline
Mar 21, 2007, 9:30 PM
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hummm wrote: Wait... you are belaying.. right? If your partner is leading, then he/she should clip into something at 30', so you catch he/she, they might fall about 20'~. If it is just TR, then you should just lock in and catch your partner.... I really don't think you should let go of the belay/rope and grab the crash pad, or pray.. (ain't going to do you any good... or your partner) I should stop reading posts on RC, it is making me dumb...
if your partner say falls out of their harness or the rope snaps(even though you should check the rope before climbing) should you catch him/her.
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j_ung
Mar 21, 2007, 9:31 PM
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Sorry. That was mean, but you called me dumb, so I'm not going to delete it. You try to catch him. With the belay. Unless he has no gear in or not enough to matter. In that case you try to spot for him without endangering yourself in the process, even though, strangely, it wasn't even on your list of possibilities.
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carlkyline
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j_ung wrote: carlkyline wrote: to answer some of these what i think are dumb questions. yes your leader is about to fall to the ground, no, not bouldering. If you do feel like catching them what do you think is the best way to do so. I'm sorry... you're calling us dumb? Fine, junior. Here's your answer. 1. You drop the belay and grab a crash pad. Your climber hits the ground before you can even locate the crash pad. 2. You drop your head and pray. Your climber hits the ground before you get through, "Dear Lord..." 3. You try to catch him. Your climber hits the ground because you're his belayer.
So you think that its just not posible to try and catch a person from this height. It just worries me, its like a what do i do in this situation kinda of things.
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clayman
Mar 21, 2007, 9:39 PM
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according to your profile you've been climbing for 8 months, and you're leading 12a trad lines? huh?
chris
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j_ung
Mar 21, 2007, 9:40 PM
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You have completely misunderstood everything, including rock climbing.
Good God, I have to leave this thread before I become jt512. Best of luck, kid. Seek competent instruction.
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hummm
Mar 21, 2007, 9:44 PM
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Oh... now it makes all the sense. Excuse my dumbness.
In that case, best you can do is forget about the crash pad since you won't have time to grab it. Just throw yourself under your partner and pray (highly recommended in this case) at the same time. So maybe you as a crash pad will get crush, but you will be the hero of your partner. See, a happy ending to every story.
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j_ung
Mar 21, 2007, 9:53 PM
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Okay. Trying again.
You attempt to SPOT your falling climber, which is very different from catching him. SPOTTING involves guiding his landing to protect vital parts, such as his head. Catching involves stopping his fall before any part of him touches Earth, which is not possible in the situation you described. When SPOTTING, you have to be very careful not to risk your own safety. If neither of you can go get help, who's going to go get help? You see? SPOTTING: yes. Catching: no.
And again, if there's any chance you can belay his fall, like with the rope, then that is what you should attempt to do.
You also have to realize that there isn't always a way to protect your climber. Sometimes, it's up to the climber to not fall. It will take you a looooong time to learn when that is, and even then there's no guarantee you'll know it when you see it.
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diophantus
Mar 21, 2007, 9:53 PM
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d1ll1gaf wrote: In reply to: Why would you have a crash pad if you were sport/trad/aid climbing? Some areas are a mixture of bouldering and routes, so it is entirely possible that a pair of climbers would have a rope, rack and crash pad. Sometimes it is nice to have a crashpad beneath you on climbs with an 'easy' start but a bad landing because shit happens.
Maybe one of you would have a pad, but I don't know anybody that does that. I might bring a pad along with me, but it stays in the car when I'm doing sport/trad routes just like the rope and rack stay in the car when I'm bouldering. If you're worried about blowing it before the first bolt figure out a way to clip it before you start climbing. They make a thing for this case, it's called a stick clip.
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climbsomething
Mar 21, 2007, 10:04 PM
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This thread RULES!!! Isn't spring break rad?
rc.dumbest mother fuckers on the internet (TM) is in full swing.
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andrewph
Mar 21, 2007, 10:11 PM
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j_ung wrote: You have completely misunderstood everything, including rock climbing.
Haha.
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noshoesnoshirt
Mar 21, 2007, 10:31 PM
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kane_schutzman wrote: noshoesnoshirt wrote: You just about have time to say "Oh shit" before they hit the ground. (Watched a buddy take a 40'er when his gear pulled) IF you were to come climbing with me sometime between April 2-9th, and were to fall, then I would jump underneath you to cushion your impact. So come climbing at HCR you basturd I know you seen my post!
Err, not trying to be rude, I have a horrible memory when it comes to meeting people, but do I know you?
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