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quadfire
Apr 4, 2007, 3:20 PM
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In reply to: "A Brazilian court has already issued a writ of habeas corpus in the name of a chimp. And now an Austrian court may well decide that a chimpanzee is a 'person' with what up until now have been called human rights." the_story_in_the_Guardian/Observer: wrote: "He recognizes himself in the mirror, plays hide-and-seek and breaks into fits of giggles when tickled. He is also our closest evolutionary cousin. A group of world leading primatologists argue that this is proof enough that Hiasl, a 26-year-old chimpanzee, deserves to be treated like a human. In a test case in Austria, campaigners are seeking to ditch the 'species barrier' and have taken Hiasl's case to court. If Hiasl is granted human status — and the rights that go with it — it will signal a victory for other primate species and unleash a wave of similar cases."
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/...usrc=rss&feed=12
http://www.newscientist.com/...rkes&nsref=chimp
Would this mean they would have to get job's? If they were really smart they'd start acting a little less like humans.
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wanderlustmd
Apr 4, 2007, 3:23 PM
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Yes, they should.
Wait, does this mean I can marry a snappng turtle?
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carabiner96
Apr 4, 2007, 3:25 PM
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Damn, I guess I'm gonna have to start testing mascara on babies.
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epoch
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Apr 4, 2007, 3:26 PM
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Considering that your question contradicts its self...
Chimps are not humans and therefore should not be granted the same rights and prividliges as humans. The use of them in research and other projects should be dictated by ethical boundaries as they are now.
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devils_advocate
Apr 4, 2007, 3:34 PM
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I don't see why not, they let one run the country.
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grampacharlie
Apr 4, 2007, 3:39 PM
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Aldo Leopold described an ethical evolution in humans from times of slavery when people, according to class, could be kept and disposed of as property to our present day values of "all men created equal."
He predicted that this would slowly evolve into a 'land ethic' that would govern the environment and protect land and animals from being seen as just property...
Maybe this is the first step!
Maybe it's a publicity stunt by PETA. Either way, chimps should not be governed by human rights. Epoch is right, they are not human, therefore the guide lines or morality as dictated for people should not be applied to chimps, bonobos, orangutans, or gorillas. If people beleive that they should be protected then there should be an entirely new set of laws designed for the protection of these critters that do not hold them to the same moral standards as humans.
Besides, how would they pay taxes?
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grampacharlie
Apr 4, 2007, 3:41 PM
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devils_advocate wrote: I don't see why not, they let one run the country.
I knew it was true!!! I couldn't prove it, but dep in my soul I knew bush wasn't human.
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devils_advocate
Apr 4, 2007, 3:42 PM
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grampacharlie wrote: devils_advocate wrote: I don't see why not, they let one run the country. I knew it was true!!! I couldn't prove it, but dep in my soul I knew bush wasn't human.
Q.E.D.
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uhoh
Apr 4, 2007, 3:53 PM
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No, they should not have human rights. They should have chimp rights. Who are we, as human beings, to decide what rights chimps should and should not have? It should be left up to them to determine what laws and rights best suit them.
I know some of you naysayers will say that's a bunch of bullshit because chimps are not capable of such complex abstract thought, but that is a notion that was discredited decades ago. Just watch the documentary Planet of the Apes. Though the title is a misgnomer, it is clear that chimps are entirely capable of forming not only rudimentary tools, as many of us already knew, but highly complex and organized societies and political systems as well.
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thomasribiere
Apr 4, 2007, 4:58 PM
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So they should have human duties as well.
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carabiner96
Apr 4, 2007, 5:30 PM
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Let's get all humans human rights first, then we can move onto chimps.
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mowz
Apr 4, 2007, 8:07 PM
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epoch wrote: Considering that your question contradicts its self... Chimps are not humans and therefore should not be granted the same rights and privileges as humans. The use of them in research and other projects should be dictated by ethical boundaries as they are now.
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reno
Apr 4, 2007, 8:18 PM
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I see a new bumper sticker series:
"It's not a chimp, it's a choice."
"Chimp on board."
"My chimp is an honor roll student at Maple Canyon Elementary School."
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crankingclimber
Apr 4, 2007, 9:05 PM
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thomasribiere wrote: So they should have human duties as well.
This is completely beside the point, if we want to be all technical (which this subject, by it's very nature, more or less is). A mentally handicapped human is still considered human (heck, even completely comatose people are kept alive if the family wishes it, and they are certainly not given 'duties'), yet is not given 'duties' by society. Some do work, but I think it's rare for someone (government - right, cause they know what they're doing...) to enforce it. A chimp, if labeled as human, will be labeled human because of their feelings, emotions, ability to suffer pain, etc. not because they are mentally identical, and therefore as able and 'supposed' to work, as humans. So your argument doesn't work.
That being said, I'm not getting all tree-huggish on us here, just being technical - I think whoever said they should not be counted as humans, but instead should be treated with appropriate ethics, is correct.
Will
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wjca
Apr 4, 2007, 9:23 PM
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I'd personally like to have some chimp rights. Like, oh I don't know, the right to fling poo at those who anger me.
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