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uhoh
Mar 28, 2007, 9:23 PM
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The thread title is rather straightforward. I've heard the term a number of times but I really have no idea what it means.
So, what is a pitch and more importantly, how do I move past one?
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begood77
Mar 28, 2007, 9:28 PM
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Not sure if this is serious but it is the distance between belays on a multi-"pitch" climb. At most the length of a rope.
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uhoh
Mar 28, 2007, 9:32 PM
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Yeah, it is a serious question. That's how new I am to climbing. So new that I haven't even been outdoors yet, unless trees count in which case pitch is the shit I get all over my hands.
I'm trying to visualize in my head how a pair would belay one another along a multipitch route.
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uhoh
Mar 28, 2007, 9:37 PM
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I guess I didn't look hard enough for that.
Thank you for the help.
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Reaganchung
Mar 28, 2007, 9:39 PM
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first the leader will climb until a belay station. then the leader will belay the second climber from the top until the second reaches the belay station. then the leader will climb again. and you do this over and over again. one pitch is the distance between belay stations
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nedsurf
Mar 28, 2007, 9:40 PM
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its a field that rugby is played on. a person never moves past it once one starts playing.
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sed
Mar 28, 2007, 9:42 PM
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it's an incredibly complex question involving high level algebra and even a bit of trig. Aren't there any engineers out there today to help this poor lad out?
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stymingersfink
Mar 29, 2007, 1:59 AM
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a pitch is what you do with horsey shoes when throwing them down-field towards a piece of rebar driven vertically into the soil. Google should help you find the details and rules of play for this fascinating and rewarding pass-time.
Perhaps one thing they won't mention however is the copius quanties of fermented barley water necessary to ingest in order to play the game well.
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ryanpfleger
Apr 6, 2007, 8:44 PM
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shimanilami
Apr 6, 2007, 9:12 PM
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From Wikipedia:
Pitch (also: byatch, bee-yotch) is a derogatory term for a woman, taken to mean that she is malicious, spiteful, domineering, intrusive, unpleasant or sexually promiscuous. This meaning has been in use since around 1400. When used to describe a male, it confers the meaning of "subordinate", especially to another male (as in prison). More recent variants of bitch are bitchy, ill-tempered (1925), and to bitch, to complain (1930).
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marc801
Apr 6, 2007, 9:31 PM
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Oh just buy a copy of Freedom of the Hills already and read it cover to cover. <rolling eyes emoticon goes here>
http://tinyurl.com/2pxsef
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sungam
Apr 6, 2007, 9:45 PM
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You ae all, in fact, completely wrong.
A "pitch" is rather like a "light year".
A "light year" is not in fact a measurment of time! it measures distance, the distance a photon of light travels in a vacum in one year.
Similar to this a "pitch" is not a thing, but a length of time, the length of time it takes a party of two to put up a two person Vango tunnel tent, so it's just short of half an hour.
-Magnus
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jgailor
Apr 6, 2007, 9:58 PM
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Reaganchung wrote: first the leader will climb until a belay station. then the leader will belay the second climber from the top until the second reaches the belay station. then the leader will climb again. and you do this over and over again. one pitch is the distance between belay stations
This is how I climb multi-pitch, but I was taking a clinic from Ivo at 3R a few weeks ago, and he was showing us the european belay method where the follower climbs past the leader to the top of the next pitch and then belays up the previous leader. Rinse and repeat.
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timm
Apr 6, 2007, 10:51 PM
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jgailor wrote: ... but I was taking a clinic from Ivo at 3R a few weeks ago, and he was showing us the european belay method where the follower climbs past the leader to the top of the next pitch and then belays up the previous leader. Rinse and repeat.
European belay method ? WTF?
This is simply swinging leads between the two climbers. The previously described method is the same leader either leading all pitches or at least all pitches in his block.
(This post was edited by timm on Apr 6, 2007, 10:53 PM)
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marc801
Apr 6, 2007, 10:52 PM
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jgailor wrote: This is how I climb multi-pitch, but I was taking a clinic from Ivo at 3R a few weeks ago, and he was showing us the european belay method where the follower climbs past the leader to the top of the next pitch and then belays up the previous leader. Rinse and repeat.
It's called swinging leads and has been around for, oh, 30 or 40 or 50 years or so, maybe more, all over the world. How well it works depends on the difficulty of the pitches and the relative abilities of the climbers. Another method suited to longer climbs is leading in blocks - eg: climber 1 leads the first 6 pitches, climber 2 the second 6, etc. Different climbs often need different strategies for efficiency.
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jgailor
Apr 6, 2007, 11:13 PM
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marc801 wrote: jgailor wrote: This is how I climb multi-pitch, but I was taking a clinic from Ivo at 3R a few weeks ago, and he was showing us the european belay method where the follower climbs past the leader to the top of the next pitch and then belays up the previous leader. Rinse and repeat. "European belay method"???? Thanks! I just sprayed beer all over my monitor and keyboard!!! It's called swinging leads and has been around for, oh, 30 or 40 or 50 years or so, maybe more, all over the world. How well it works depends on the difficulty of the pitches and the relative abilities of the climbers. Another method suited to longer climbs is leading in blocks - eg: climber 1 leads the first 6 pitches, climber 2 the second 6, etc. Different climbs often need different strategies for efficiency.
No need to be an ass about it. I'd never heard of that particular method, and neither had anybody else in the clinic. When asked about it he gave the "in europe you attach your belay device to the anchor instead of yourself, and your follower climbs past you and leads the next pitch". That was apparently just the method he had learned at the mountaineering schools he attended. As I said, the rest of us hadn't heard of it before.
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notch
Apr 11, 2007, 6:32 PM
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jgailor wrote: marc801 wrote: jgailor wrote: This is how I climb multi-pitch, but I was taking a clinic from Ivo at 3R a few weeks ago, and he was showing us the european belay method where the follower climbs past the leader to the top of the next pitch and then belays up the previous leader. Rinse and repeat. "European belay method"???? Thanks! I just sprayed beer all over my monitor and keyboard!!! It's called swinging leads and has been around for, oh, 30 or 40 or 50 years or so, maybe more, all over the world. How well it works depends on the difficulty of the pitches and the relative abilities of the climbers. Another method suited to longer climbs is leading in blocks - eg: climber 1 leads the first 6 pitches, climber 2 the second 6, etc. Different climbs often need different strategies for efficiency. No need to be an ass about it. I'd never heard of that particular method, and neither had anybody else in the clinic. When asked about it he gave the "in europe you attach your belay device to the anchor instead of yourself, and your follower climbs past you and leads the next pitch". That was apparently just the method he had learned at the mountaineering schools he attended. As I said, the rest of us hadn't heard of it before.
Nice. I was just listening to the coverage from Podclimber about the RRR, and he mentioned there were a number of good clinics. Glad you got your money's worth. To the previously mentioned point, "swinging leads" is pretty standard, no matter which side of the ocean you climb on. Enjoy!
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olderic
Apr 11, 2007, 6:54 PM
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Endless pontifications regarding the EDK are about to be replaced by endless pontifications regarding the EDB.
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pornstarr
Apr 11, 2007, 8:09 PM
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shimanilami wrote: From Wikipedia: Pitch (also: byatch, bee-yotch) is a derogatory term for a woman, taken to mean that she is malicious, spiteful, domineering, intrusive, unpleasant or sexually promiscuous. This meaning has been in use since around 1400. When used to describe a male, it confers the meaning of "subordinate", especially to another male (as in prison). More recent variants of bitch are bitchy, ill-tempered (1925), and to bitch, to complain (1930).
as in....." I got 99 problems and this PEEOTCH ain't one of 'em!"?
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