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chanceboarder
Apr 19, 2007, 7:39 PM
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I've take a couple small falls from above a grey Alien. Would be more then willing to fall on any of the rest of mine. Jason
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buddysnack
Apr 19, 2007, 7:40 PM
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That is my point exactly...I really like their cams. I think they outperform anything. My hope is that CCH learned something from the incident...now the question is do you like the cams or not? I bet the people most frustrated with CCH love them the most. Like to soup Nazi...
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saxfiend
Apr 19, 2007, 7:40 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I like my aliens too. I was just pointing out that the most important thing about any pro is not how easy you can place it, but how well it holds when you fall on it. I've never fallen on my aliens, but since they don't have dimples, I trust them! JL
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ja1484
Apr 19, 2007, 7:44 PM
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m2j1s wrote: it seems as though aliens are taking a bad rep because people keep complaining, but lets here from those that love their aliens/have taken whippers on them. My grey alien has taken a 10 footer no problem. Yes CCH had a faulty batch which was recalled, but besides those, what other problems are people complaining about? Well there were the misdrilled axle holes: http://www.rockclimbing.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=25; The statement by CCH that they believed initially that the complaints of improper brazing were a HOAX: http://www.rockclimbing.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=25; And of course, the uninvestigated (I belive - someone let me know if they ever looked into it) failure of an Orange Alien at Indian Creek under very gentle conditions: http://www.rockclimbing.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=25; Among other things. Dave Waggoner's general attitude and the large number of *reported* problems with alien cams that have gone uninvestigated by CCH basically let me know that you couldn't pay me to use Aliens.
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j_ung
Apr 19, 2007, 7:51 PM
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m2j1s wrote: Yes CCH didn't take the correct approach to addressing the recall, but concerning the actual cams themselves, have people been having problems? Because several people on these threads have been bashing the actual cams. Yes. http://www.rockclimbing.com/...;;page=unread#unread Edit: I'll definitely concede, however, that we don't yet know if this latest failure involves a recalled alien or not. If it does, then okay. But if not, then you have to be a freaking idiot to buy another Alien ever again. At the moment, if I were an Alien owner, I'd be pretty concerned that -- yet again -- something went hideously wrong and CCH has given you nothing but silence.
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jgailor
Apr 19, 2007, 8:05 PM
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j_ung wrote: m2j1s wrote: Yes CCH didn't take the correct approach to addressing the recall, but concerning the actual cams themselves, have people been having problems? Because several people on these threads have been bashing the actual cams. Yes. http://www.rockclimbing.com/...;;page=unread#unread I'll wait to see more information about that particular alien breaking. Most of the accurate sounding information in that thread was about a bad belay. The guy who took the fall on the alien piped in, but he put in one comment and didn't follow up with any information to address questions from the subsequent posters. I'm not defending aliens necessarily, but one case is an outlier compared to the # of people who seem to have no problem at all. I guess like everything else in this sport, you should just climb wisely, and triple check everything you can.
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j_ung
Apr 19, 2007, 8:10 PM
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Ain't that the truth.
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j_ung
Apr 19, 2007, 8:18 PM
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buddysnack wrote: I looked and couldn't find if this had been posted recently, but I just got back from 9 days in J-Tree with my shiny new c3s and my old aliens. I sincerely hope that climbers out there have not moved away from using aliens because they are the best darn piece of climbing equipment I own. I kept trying to place my c3 because they were shiny and new, but everytime I did, I found my aliens just fit better. Like a good old pair of shoes (or girlfriend). Props to CCH and their fabulous aliens! One other comment to make and then I guess I'm done. I'm likewise not terribly thrilled with my C3s. I like 'em. But I haven't fallen in love with them yet.
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j_ung
Apr 19, 2007, 8:51 PM
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No, no... I'm keeping them. They're still my second favorite little units after TCUs/Power Cams. I don't have any buyer's remorse. Not like after we chipped in together and went halves on that truckload of white kids. What a bust that was.
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j_ung
Apr 19, 2007, 9:01 PM
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And so stringy and bland tasting.
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j_ung
Apr 19, 2007, 9:03 PM
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NEXT Thanksgiving, it's turkey all the way.
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caughtinside
Apr 19, 2007, 9:03 PM
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well, they did boil down decently into soup stock.
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j_ung
Apr 19, 2007, 9:07 PM
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True that. And your sweet potato pie was to die for.
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miavzero
Apr 19, 2007, 9:42 PM
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Props to my Firestone tires, spinich and moist dog food!
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ryanb
Apr 19, 2007, 9:52 PM
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The other day I climbed past the head of a gold camalot stuck in the upper section of Airguitar at Vantage, WA. Not sure if it is from the tragic accident there a few years ago but the point is all gear breaks. Know people who have even had carabiners break. I bounce tested my aliens and I find myself doubling up on a lot of placements lately.
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stymingersfink
Apr 20, 2007, 1:07 AM
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ryanb wrote: The other day I climbed past the head of a gold camalot stuck in the upper section of Airguitar at Vantage, WA. Not sure if it is from the tragic accident there a few years ago but the point is all gear breaks. Know people who have even had carabiners break. I bounce tested my aliens and I find myself doubling up on a lot of placements lately. carabiners are [one of] the most frequent tools in climbing to break, partially due to the fact that they are strong in only one direction (longitudinally) and spend much of their working life unsupervised. I think it was c.harmston who said he had never seen a piece of BD PROTECTION rated for 10kn or greater fail in the field, though he had seen PLACEMENTS fail. This is a very large distinction, one which slides around the 24kN rating on biners, as most biners are only rated in the 7kN range along the minor axis. The issues which have arisen over the past few years with CCH's commitment to quality control, as well as their commitment to communicate issues as they arise (or lack thereof) does give me pause. The only aliens I own are some really old ones I bought off a retiring old-timer, as well as a couple sets of the hybrids (which I absolutely love for aiding). However, I'm wondering when a real manufacturer will purchase their designs and clean up the issues CCH has experienced in the past. It's about time, isn't it? edit to add [qualifier to assertion that carabiners break]
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jt512
Apr 20, 2007, 4:11 AM
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m2j1s wrote: Yes CCH didn't take the correct approach to addressing the recall, but concerning the actual cams themselves, have people been having problems? Because several people on these threads have been bashing the actual cams. Why do you keep asking the same stupid question over and over again. Yes, people have been having trouble with the cams. They've been breaking. That's why there was a recall. Jay
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medicus
Apr 20, 2007, 4:15 AM
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Are there any pictures of these broken cams? I'm curious to see what specifically was happening with them.
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billcoe_
Apr 20, 2007, 4:48 AM
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jt512 wrote: m2j1s wrote: Yes CCH didn't take the correct approach to addressing the recall, but concerning the actual cams themselves, have people been having problems? Because several people on these threads have been bashing the actual cams. Why do you keep asking the same stupid question over and over again. Yes, people have been having trouble with the cams. They've been breaking. That's why there was a recall. Jay A true rhetorical question. AT last. Now for the answer...finally........here it is JT, why he keeps asking it.... Nah. Forget it. Bill
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shockabuku
Apr 21, 2007, 2:37 PM
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Here's the only one I could find. Most seem to have been dumped at their hosting site or lost during the rc.com reformat. Too bad, there were others that were more close up but this gets the point across. http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/...0/6299img0210_1_.jpg
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jakedatc
Apr 21, 2007, 11:30 PM
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That was the one from last year that initiated the recall. the newest one from the New fall has not had a photo posted or a very good description of the size, date etc
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