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caerbannog_rabbit
Sep 28, 2002, 6:16 AM
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i heard this quote somwhere, what are your thoughts?
"you're not really climbing unless you're bleeding"
also, does anybody know the exact phrasing and/or the author of the quote?
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billcoe_
Sep 28, 2002, 4:25 PM
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This corresponds precisely to these similar quotes:
"You're not really driving unless you're piss assed drunk and rammed up against a telephone pole"
You're not really skiing unless your falling on your ass and get a broken leg"
You're not really scuba diving unless you're BC is broken and you're sucking in massive amounts of seawater into your lungs"
You're not really backpacking unless there's thousands of mosquitos buzzing around your ass"
You're not really hunting unless you've walked into a tree branch and have a stick in your eye".
Nahh, I've never heard of that quote.
Bill
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mcsosar3456
Sep 28, 2002, 4:43 PM
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i believe that if you never bleed then you aren't pushing yourself as far as you can. as for whether people want to push themselves it is their own choice. i am a boulderer and i agree that if after a good session i am not bleeding then i didnt push myself. you roped nancys might not agree though, and thats fine with me.
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jetace
Sep 30, 2002, 1:18 AM
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okay, my friends call me the rock painter because whenever they follow me they see interesting monet style red blotches . I bleed whether pushing myself hard or not, I've blead on a 5.6 before. But that is usually my knees bleeding, if it is either of my hands, I know I've had a hard day of climbing.
Bleed on!
Jet
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bcmtngrrrl
Sep 30, 2002, 2:19 PM
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I suppose it depends on the kind of rock you're climbing on. I do my fare share of bleeding. Keep it clean though people, last week I met a guy that got flesh eating disease from the rock!
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krillen
Sep 30, 2002, 2:22 PM
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I've heard it as " It's not a good day climbing unless you bleed"
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tradguy
Sep 30, 2002, 2:36 PM
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I suppose it depends upon where you're bleeding from. Personally, I think pushing it until you bleed is stupid, because for one, it can be avoided, and for another, bleeding requires healing, which takes time, and cuts into your climbing schedule.
Most bleeding in a sign that you screwed up (skin sliding across rock). Don't screw up, and your problem is solved.
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mother_sheep
Sep 30, 2002, 2:43 PM
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C'mon. . .where's the love for bruises? Don't they count for anything? Once in a while I bleed but more often than not, I'm a bruiser (every time I climb).
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likethegoddess
Sep 30, 2002, 5:14 PM
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As I'm reading this thread, considering both "sides", I have to say I think it's both for me. When I boulder, I come away with scratches and bruises often enough. I do take that as I sign that I'm pushing myself beyond my present limits. I also take it as a sign I'm less than in full control of my body. In an ideal world, I'll maintain good body awareness regardless of how hard the problem is for me. I'll be able to avoid any injury and still push myself as hard as I want to. But this is not a perfect world. I'll err on the side of risking some small injury to myself to expand my skills in an activity that I love.
I'm not talking about gapping wounds here. I'm not talking about coming back a bloody mess every time I go out. I'm not talking about anything that cuts into my climbing time. Though I'll give my props to the folx who come away with a bloody flapper from sticking that one-handed dyno and pulling up on the mantle. But I don't think it's glamorous either.
I'm not talking about taking stupid risks with great consequences. These are really just superficial injuries here. Not muscle, not tendon, not bone. So, why is it a big deal if someone is willing to risk a couple drops of blood for the love of what they do?
I weigh the cost and the benefit. I could get some small injury to finish that problem or stick that dyno, I'm going to risk if it's close enough to my skill level. And later as my skills improve more, I'll perform it flawlessly. Then I'll find a harder problem to risk myself on.
Edit: Oh, and, Bill, you take hyperbole to a whole other level.
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mreardon
Sep 30, 2002, 5:53 PM
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When I bleed, it just means I wasn't climbing properly. It has nothing to do with pushing the limits. If you put your hand in a jam and wiggle, you'll bleed. Stay strong, no wiggle, no bleeding. Same goes for bouldering. If you have to throw at every hold barely tagging and causing flappers as you go, then you're not improving, you're merely showing that you can get lucky and catch a move every now and then. Try getting the move with enough strength to move beyond it, is the only efficient way to climb - and improve. As for who said it, not sure, but heard it before. We changed it to - you're not climbing unless you're falling.
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mreardon
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When I bleed, it just means I wasn't climbing properly. It has nothing to do with pushing the limits. If you put your hand in a jam and wiggle, you'll bleed. Stay strong, no wiggle, no bleeding. Same goes for bouldering. If you have to throw at every hold barely tagging and causing flappers as you go, then you're not improving, you're merely showing that you can get lucky and catch a move every now and then. Try getting the move with enough strength to move beyond it, is the only efficient way to climb - and improve. As for who said it, not sure, but heard it before. We changed it to - you're not climbing unless you're falling.
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climbingfoo
Sep 30, 2002, 7:11 PM
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The classic: No pain, no gain
Climb hard, climb smart.
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fixxervi6
Sep 30, 2002, 7:25 PM
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"Pain, is weekness leaving your body"
-unkown
Rocks are sharp, your gonna bleed sometime.
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vicum
Sep 30, 2002, 7:31 PM
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Well, if bleeding is a sign of improvment, then I ought to be one heck of an aproacher. I usually end up bleeding *before* the climb, no matter how hard I try a run into something:-) I've a had a few flappers but it's certainly not habitual. THe worst one came from falling out of this chisled crack system at the local gym(it's in old concrete grain silos.) But I would agree that *generally* when I start bleeping while climbing, it's cuz I wasn't in control. Later ~ARnold
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airscape
Sep 30, 2002, 7:35 PM
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What about your not really belaying if your head doesn't bleed from that last biner that your partner dropped.
Or maybe even your not really abseiling unless your hand is alight and you have a permanent fig 8 burn on your chest.
Only time i've ever really bled from climbing was when I took a fall and my knee was in the wrong place...
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sistersboulderingarea
Sep 30, 2002, 8:38 PM
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i hope i never see any of you in my local gym!!
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daggerx
Oct 1, 2002, 2:19 AM
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When you bleed you know you having fun and puching it just a little.
DaggerX
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caerbannog_rabbit
Oct 1, 2002, 2:53 AM
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who said bleeding makes you a better climber?
i just think its fun to joke around with your buddies...
"hey jimmy, you gots a huge gash in your calf, you were REALLY climbing!!!"
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likethegoddess
Oct 1, 2002, 3:27 AM
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Oh, and I've gone not even being able to send a VO to sending my first V1 onsite a couple of weeks ago in, uh, six months. Oh, and that's not the only way I'm improving.
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freudian
Oct 1, 2002, 4:42 AM
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I've heard stuff like "You haven't climbed hard enough until you're bleeding and don't notice till you get to the top".
However, a better quote that I agree with...
"You haven't realy climbed until you've lead"
There's some real truth to that. Climbing really isn't climbing unless your leading, or soloing (for traditional, im not including those crazy sport-climbing routes with bolts or top-rope).
There is lots of merit to top-roping, but dealing with the "sharp-end of the rope" is as much a head-game is it is climbing skill. Someone who can top-rope or second a 5.9 (Trad) may only have the nerv or skill to endure a 5.7.
I've just started trad leading mid-way into this season. I can tell you from my very small amount of experience of leading, that it takes a lot of mind-control to lead if you are used to top-roping. I have climbed a lot of 5.7's and 5.8's, an a few 5.9 and 5.10's. I can even lead 5.10a sport (bolts), but on trad lead (nuts, cams, slings on trees, etc.), I've only attempted 5.4 and 5.6. I've done 3 5.4s and one 5.6. Heights of between 75 and 100 feet. There are some 5.7's that I could lead w/o a problem, but I would be scared ***tless to climb 5.8 or higher trad (natural pro). This is coming from someone who's only lead 4 different trad routes and two sport routes (5.4,5.4,5.4,5.6,5.10a,5.10c).
Anyhow, that's how i feel now that I've been leading.
FREUDIAN
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mtnsprts
Oct 1, 2002, 5:01 AM
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why not tape your fingers before you bleed? then at least you are still able to continue to climb and push yourself that day, and the next etc.
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pitung
Oct 1, 2002, 7:01 AM
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bleeding?It doesn't indicate that you've pushed yourself for climb.
When I climbed, i don't want to get bleed.
My opinion, bleeding ( doesn't include bleeding on your finger, which its caused by your grab )indicates that you've climbed wrong. "Wrong?" yea!, maybe your balance needs more practice.
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apollodorus
Oct 1, 2002, 7:15 AM
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Blood and chalk mixed together can make fake holds on the rock.
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climbsomething
Oct 1, 2002, 9:28 AM
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Reminds me of an old Army maxim...
"If it ain't raining, we ain't training!"
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jprice
Oct 3, 2002, 3:17 AM
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What the heck? Climbing to me is fun and I push myself hard but if I bleed a lot then it's not fun. A little blood is to be expected, banged knees, scraped fingers but bad injuries (AKA lots of blood) definitely isn't worth it.
Climb safe.
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