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superbum


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So I'm going to the Bugaboos for two weeks and have always had trouble figuring out my breakfasts for extended backcountry trips...For one or two nights it's easy, but muffins will get stale, fresh fruit is heavy, etc.

I need breakfast suggestions that follow these criteria...

No stove involved. Too heavy & takes too long (cooking/cleaning, etc)/ Think 4am alpine starts or ledge bivies.

No meat (i'ma veggie).

Lightweight. I'm gonna hike in 7-14 days' worth of food...

Fairly yummy. My gag reflex is sensitive, especially at 5am. Quinoa and water and sugar every morning will make me puke which is even worse than no breakfast at all!

OK...advise away!


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Cereal + powdered milk divided into single servings in ziploc bags. Just add water.

Bagels + cream cheese early on.


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Well I'm fairly non veggie but for any extended trip I do my best not to cook and I find anything under the category of dried fruits and nuts works wonders. Esp for breakfast. Dates, dried mangos, craisins (sp)or any other dried fruit along with, almonds or pistachios. You might also try pastas that only require heating water and then letting them sit for a few minutes. Couscous can be tossed into a boiling water and then you can kill the gas and let it sit for a few and voila its ready.


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My old standard is granola with powdered milk. You can use some kind of protein powder if you aren't a milk user. I've done that too.
Many granolas have too much sugar, but it isn't hard to find some that don't, especially at heath food stores.
Just dump the granola in a cup, pour in water, stir, and eat. A bit less than a pint is a good sized meal for me, and stays with me all morning.
I have freinds who are big on bagels and cream cheese for breakfast, but that doesn't stick with me as well as granola or oatmeal.
I find most people who say granola or oatmeal doesn't satisfy for very long are only eating tiny amounts, like a cup or less. That just isn't enough calories.

Taking only a few minutes longer is 2-3 envelopes of instant oatmeal with protein powder or powdered milk, dumped in a cup with boiled water poured over it. Be packing up while it cools down, which in the moutains usually doesn't take too long, then eat it & go.
Pre mixing in a few raisins or some dried fruit is good, too.

Ok, I reread your post. No hot water. Instant oatmeal comes back to life pretty well with merely warm water from a bottle you kept inside your bag overnight. I know you are thinking you don't want to carry a cup. Put the cereal in a ziplock bag, as suggested above, premixed w. protein powder or dry milk, then just add water. After you are done, turn the bag inside out and lick it if you don't want the weight and mess of a wet empty bag. You are a climber. No one will care.
Weight of food is either calories or water. Any food with the water removed is either about 100 calories per ounce for proteins or carbos, or near 200 calories per ounce for fats. Once the food is dry, you can't cut weight without cutting calories, which you need.


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Pop tarts. Especially brown sugar + cinnamon.


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I do peanut butter in a squeeze tube. Apply liberally to bagels or your preferred energy bar.

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I eat a Cliff bar on the move. Why fuck around around with food...when you really just want to be climbing....Cool

Coca tea works well too...if you can get it Wink


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  Peanut butter and Jelly sandwiches, whether on bread or bagels, aren't a bad breakfast, either. You'll get tired of them eventually, so don't plan on that for every day.


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+1 on both bagels and cereal/powdered milk.

Peanut butter and honey sandwiches are a winner too.
Pita's pack better than other breads.
Granola bars, pay days, clif bars are fast and easy.

DIY gu or similar:
http://www.ultralightbackpacker.com/moosegoo.html


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I mix whole oatmeal, raisin bran, brown sugar, and dried fruit (blueberries or whatever I have around). Just add water - it doesn't need to be cooked. You can add some instant oatmeal packets or dried milk if you like. For 2 wks I'd fill a gallon ziplock w/ about 3-4 lbs of this mix, but then I eat A LOT of oatmeal.


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I can't eat enough oatmeal or granola to make it worthwhile and I can't choke down much cream cheese either.

No stove makes it harder since warm food in the morning is much more appetizing.

As a source of fat/calories, I do better with margerine than I do with cream cheese. Bagels with magarine works for me (you can premix some honey in if you like it sweeter).

I also like the Nutella (chocolate/almond spread). You can make a bagel sandwhich with spread the night before to save time in the morning.

I also find it easy to drink a lot of calories in the morning, but again, this is tougher without a stove. Cocoa/instant coffee/powdered milk and I will even sometimes add margarine to my drink.

The pop tart sort of junk food goes down pretty easy. So do chocolate candy bars (get ones that are appropriate for the temps you will encounter).

For 4am starts, it is hard to eat enough to last that long. Have plenty of nut mix and snacks that you can easily grab during belays.


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Alpen cereal, brown sugar and powdered milk in a ziplock. Add water and eat from the baggy. Good to go. Figure out the powder milk / brown sugar to cereal ratio at home before you head out. Yum.


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Quaker Oatmeal to Go bars are pretty good and stick with you for a bit, though with lots of activity you might want to have 2 more breakfasts and an Elevensie to keep you going.

Also, if you don't like bagels, try flour tortillas spread with peanut butter and jam, then sprinkle raisins on it and roll it up.

You can also make your own GORP mix, adding in dry cereal for your morning mix. I like adding in plain MnM's, yogurt covered raisins and banana chips.

I definitely second the idea of dried fruits :)

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3 parts oatmeal
1 part raisins
1 part hazelnuts
Mix in a bowl (at least 1/2 litre / 16,9070113 US fluid ounces).
Add cold water until it covers the mix.
Sprinkle with a good dose of cinnamon.

Easy, efficient, light weight, vegetarian and tasty.

Not mandatory since it requires a burner:
1/2 liter of black coffee.


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I feel kind of odd giving this advice... For a number of reasons, but if your goal is calories per weight...you can't beat alchohol.

", a 1.5 ounce serving of spirits (gin, vodka, etc) has about 100 calories"

coffee grounds and milk... = a white russian to start your morning.

PLease don't overdo it though... I can already see the headlines now.


Note: I do not condone drinking alchohol for any other reason other than survival (not like it helps in most cases anyways), it's purely a random comment.


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superbum wrote:
I'm gonna hike in 7-14 days' worth of food...

Are you really? There's a big difference between 7 and 14 days of food.

Anyway, you want something with complex carbs, something that will help you hydrate (or at least not make you thirsty), and that is pretty easily digested. Try re-hydrating dried fruit. The night before, put some dehydrated fruit in your pot, fill with boiling water and a little brown sugar. Might be tasty, perhaps mixed with nuts, and you can drink off the liquid.

Make enough dinner the night before to have cold leftovers for breakfast. Pizza?

The granola/dried milk combo is a good idea. I mix this in advance.

Gu. Why bother with breakfast at all?

Do you eat fish? Are there fish in the Bugaboos?

Hope this helps.


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stefanohatari wrote:
superbum wrote:
I'm gonna hike in 7-14 days' worth of food...

If it's not too heavy we will carry it all in at once. If it is, we will come out on a bad weather day and haul the rest in later.

Thanks for all the replies! I like the powdered milk/cereal in a baggie idea!


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squarf wrote:
I feel kind of odd giving this advice... For a number of reasons, but if your goal is calories per weight...you can't beat alchohol.

", a 1.5 ounce serving of spirits (gin, vodka, etc) has about 100 calories"

coffee grounds and milk... = a white russian to start your morning.

PLease don't overdo it though... I can already see the headlines now.


Note: I do not condone drinking alchohol for any other reason other than survival (not like it helps in most cases anyways), it's purely a random comment.

Let's not forget about dehydration, lack of reduced motor skills and judgement, blah blah blah....


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Breakfast cookies, eg raisin oatmeal.
Quaker makes some prepackaged; each cookie is 48g in weight. 4.5g of fat 3g protein 33g carb. If you or someone you know can bake, I have made my own, getting more protein in with some nuts or protein powder and replacing the raisins with something more interesting like dried cranberries.


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Mmm cookies :)

Do you have a recipe for that? I've been looking for some good breakfast bar type recipes because the boxed varieties at the store are always so expensive and come with a lot of preservatives :)

God Bless,
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sspssp wrote:
I also like the Nutella (chocolate/almond spread)...


STFU, NOOB!!! chocolate/almond? spread?? are you kidding me? everybody knows its chocolate/HAZELNUT spread!! What, I bet you think its bologna sandwiches too and not hamm sammiches, huh? CoolCool

as for a real suggestion---i make these as treats on backpacks and as breakfast on alpine climbs.

NO BAKE COOKIES!!! they are really easy, REALLY tastey and PACKED with nutritional goodness:

take oatmeal, hot chocolate powder, chocolate chips, some peanut butter and some butter. mix in a bag. eat.

tons of calories, simple/complex carbs, etc. sticks with you for a while. goes down VERY easily

plus its cheap and not heavy at all!! you can mix them the night before too. i keep a premade ratio-ed bag of the mixture with the butter in a seperate bag. then when you want then you take a third designated bag (or your bowl) and mix together. you can easily use that third bag again and again cause it ain't liquidy and messy!


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altelis wrote:
sspssp wrote:
I also like the Nutella (chocolate/almond spread)...


STFU, NOOB!!! chocolate/almond? spread?? are you kidding me? everybody knows its chocolate/HAZELNUT spread!! What, I bet you think its bologna sandwiches too and not hamm sammiches, huh?

Oops.Tongue

I only buy it for backpacking and I wasn't even sure I was spelling it right. Got the tasty part right, though.

Been more than a decade since I've had a bolgna sandwich, so I won't try to express my wisdom on that.


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squarf wrote:
I feel kind of odd giving this advice... For a number of reasons, but if your goal is calories per weight...you can't beat alchohol.

", a 1.5 ounce serving of spirits (gin, vodka, etc) has about 100 calories"

Don't know about that. Cooking oil at 120 calories a tablespoon comes in higher.

I've actually put olive oil in a small plastic bottle and drank out of it straight on trips.


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I've actually put olive oil in a small plastic bottle and drank out of it straight on trips.
Not a bad idea. If you're feeling cold, a shot of olive oil will quicly warm you up. I think it's something to do with the body releasing fat stores when it detects fat in the stomach.


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sspssp wrote:
Cooking oil at 120 calories a tablespoon comes in higher.

I've actually put olive oil in a small plastic bottle and drank out of it straight on trips.
now THAT is fucking hardcore.
I mean... FUCK.
Those no bake cookies sound awsome, btw.

-MagnuS

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