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hosh
Jul 31, 2007, 4:21 PM
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My rope is pretty twisted. I'm not a rope expert, so how do I get the twists out? It's gotten so bad that when I rappel, I often have to actually stop and undo the kinks below my device in order to continue. I do not use a Munter or a Figure-8, I've got an ATC Guide. How in the world do I get the rope to un-twist? If it matters, the brand is "Monster." It's a 10.2, dry treated. I've had it for about a year and a half. This is driving me nuts. hosh.
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dalguard
Jul 31, 2007, 4:26 PM
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Are you tying the ends together when you rap? If so, stop that. Rapping should take the kinks out of the rope, not put them in.
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swaghole
Jul 31, 2007, 4:42 PM
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To get rid of the twists, just find a cliff that is pretty vertical and high enough and just drop one end of the rope down while you hold on to the other end. This should remove most of the twists.
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summerprophet
Jul 31, 2007, 4:53 PM
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Weight the end of your rope with a pound or two. Toss rope off bridge, let hang for a minute or two. by the time you pull up your rope and coil it, it should be A-OK. Incidently, rappelling with the rope over your hip, rather than between your legs, rapelling with a figure eight, or being lowered over a diagonal edge causes your rope to twist.
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ckirkwood9
Jul 31, 2007, 5:28 PM
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summerprophet wrote: Weight the end of your rope with a pound or two. Toss rope off bridge, let hang for a minute or two. by the time you pull up your rope and coil it, it should be A-OK. Incidently, rappelling with the rope over your hip, rather than between your legs, rapelling with a figure eight, or being lowered over a diagonal edge causes your rope to twist. just to further this thought - to rap with the rope between your legs... just extend your rap device from your harness with a sling (and use a prussic backup if you wish - i know i know... it's good, it's bad, i'll let you decide if you want to use the backup). Extending the rap on a sling makes for easier rapping and keeps the rope in FRONT of you rather than over your hip.
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billl7
Jul 31, 2007, 6:00 PM
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hosh wrote: My rope is pretty twisted. I'm not a rope expert, so how do I get the twists out? It's gotten so bad that when I rappel, I often have to actually stop and undo the kinks below my device in order to continue. I do not use a Munter or a Figure-8, I've got an ATC Guide. How in the world do I get the rope to un-twist? If it matters, the brand is "Monster." It's a 10.2, dry treated. I've had it for about a year and a half. This is driving me nuts. hosh. That sounds pretty weird. By "twists" do you mean that if you hung the full length of it by one end and looked down the length of it that there would be visible coils sort of like a spring?
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hosh
Aug 1, 2007, 8:54 PM
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summerprophet wrote: Weight the end of your rope with a pound or two. Toss rope off bridge, let hang for a minute or two. by the time you pull up your rope and coil it, it should be A-OK. Incidently, rappelling with the rope over your hip, rather than between your legs, rapelling with a figure eight, or being lowered over a diagonal edge causes your rope to twist. I rap with the rope between my legs. hosh.
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hosh
Aug 1, 2007, 8:57 PM
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billl7 wrote: hosh wrote: My rope is pretty twisted. I'm not a rope expert, so how do I get the twists out? It's gotten so bad that when I rappel, I often have to actually stop and undo the kinks below my device in order to continue. I do not use a Munter or a Figure-8, I've got an ATC Guide. How in the world do I get the rope to un-twist? If it matters, the brand is "Monster." It's a 10.2, dry treated. I've had it for about a year and a half. This is driving me nuts. hosh. That sounds pretty weird. By "twists" do you mean that if you hung the full length of it by one end and looked down the length of it that there would be visible coils sort of like a spring? Yes. Actually, when I'm rapping, it looks more like dredlocks. Did I just get a crap rope, or was I doing something wrong? I would like to get rid of these twists. Makes the whole exprience much less enjoyable when the last part of your climbing day is a hassle. hosh.
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billl7
Aug 1, 2007, 9:31 PM
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dredlocks - holy cow! Seems unlikely that the ATC Guide has issues. And I assume there is nothing unusual about how you attach the ATC to yourself (e.g., typical locking biner). All that seems left is that the rope is defective. A plausible explanation might be that the sheath strands are not all of the same type - although I'm guessing such a thing could be the cause and have no expertise in this area. I'd suggest returning it, stating that the reason for the return is that it is defective. The basis for saying that is you have used it in a normal manner (include exactly how it has been used) and that such normal use is causing the twists. And the twists increase the likelihood of losing control of a rap. Not certain how far you will get with that. However, if the rope is defective then it seems likely you won't be the only one asking for a refund. Whether the twists can be gotten out depends on the cause of course. Likely, they can't if the rope is defective.
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time2clmb
Aug 1, 2007, 10:08 PM
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billl7 wrote: dredlocks - holy cow! Seems unlikely that the ATC Guide has issues. And I assume there is nothing unusual about how you attach the ATC to yourself (e.g., typical locking biner). All that seems left is that the rope is defective. A plausible explanation might be that the sheath strands are not all of the same type - although I'm guessing such a thing could be the cause and have no expertise in this area. I'd suggest returning it, stating that the reason for the return is that it is defective. The basis for saying that is you have used it in a normal manner (include exactly how it has been used) and that such normal use is causing the twists. And the twists increase the likelihood of losing control of a rap. Not certain how far you will get with that. However, if the rope is defective then it seems likely you won't be the only one asking for a refund. Whether the twists can be gotten out depends on the cause of course. Likely, they can't if the rope is defective. You're over analyzing a bit man. There are several things that can twist a rope. What was already mentioned, feeding the atc over the side rather than through the grove, having the ends tied together, not properly uncoiling it when it's new ect ect ect. I doubt it's defective.
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dingus
Aug 1, 2007, 10:20 PM
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I would out of hand not dismiss the belay device as the culprit. I have the ATC-XP and prior to that used an ATC and a few others. One common technique heavier climbers use when rapping skinny ropes is to add a 2nd biner to the belay loop for more rope friction. Do this with an ATC-XP and use D-shaped biners and you can pretty much count on the rope twists. I have not used the Guide. But maybe analyse your use of it, look at how the rope passes through it in various modes. If its the cause you'll see the twisting action as you use it. DMT
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billl7
Aug 1, 2007, 10:32 PM
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time2clmb wrote: There are several things that can twist a rope. What was already mentioned, feeding the atc over the side rather than through the grove, having the ends tied together, not properly uncoiling it when it's new ect ect ect. hosh, what say you to these things?
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time2clmb
Aug 1, 2007, 10:49 PM
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billl7 wrote: time2clmb wrote: There are several things that can twist a rope. What was already mentioned, feeding the atc over the side rather than through the grove, having the ends tied together, not properly uncoiling it when it's new ect ect ect. hosh, what say you to these things? Feed the rope over the side of the atc and watch it twist first hand. It is well known that if you do not uncoil the rope properly "out of the bag" when new, it will get twisted.
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billl7
Aug 1, 2007, 11:00 PM
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time2clmb wrote: billl7 wrote: time2clmb wrote: There are several things that can twist a rope. What was already mentioned, feeding the atc over the side rather than through the grove, having the ends tied together, not properly uncoiling it when it's new ect ect ect. hosh, what say you to these things? Feed the rope over the side of the atc and watch it twist first hand. It is well known that if you do not uncoil the rope properly "out of the bag" when new, it will get twisted. I wasn't questioning your statement. Nor was I agreeing with all your points.
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hosh
Oct 1, 2007, 6:42 AM
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billl7 wrote: time2clmb wrote: There are several things that can twist a rope. What was already mentioned, feeding the atc over the side rather than through the grove, having the ends tied together, not properly uncoiling it when it's new ect ect ect. hosh, what say you to these things? Regarding "out of the bag"; I flaked it two or three times before I cever limbed on it. I don't feed the rope over the side of my ATC. Don't know about my climbing partners, but I would figure they also have at least that much sense... maybe? I don't rap with the ends tied together, ever. It's just a kinky rope. I have much anger for it. The only solace I find is that it's winter and I won't be climbing on it until next year. hosh.
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