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clausti
Feb 8, 2008, 9:38 PM
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reno wrote: The long sig line thing is a site-wide problem. That is, a long sig doesn't just show up in one thread or forum, but it shows up on EVERY POST that user makes. I've seen 'em in General, Beginners, Gear Heads, Soap Box, etc. They make for difficult readability for other users. Your right to have a long sig ends when it becomes a obstacle to other people's ability to enjoy the site. Post whoring is similar. If I'm trying to follow a legit discussion, and I have to scroll past nine or ten posts that are things like "PC ++", then again my ability to enjoy or learn from a thread is reduced.
seriously, reno? the long sig lines are obnoxious, i'll admit, but that IS A CODING PROBLEM. and you need to fix that shit. and if fixing it isnt easy, DDT picked some really fucking shitty software, didnt he?
and sigs, as has been pointed out, can be turned off.
and as far as the PC++ shit- THAT IS WHAT A KILLFILE IS FOR. you can click "killfile" and all the PC++'s in tha thread will magically go away. and all of them in all the other threads by that user will go away too! that would save so much time.
i STILL dont understand why they switched away from the old coding.. you paid for it, didnt you? why the hell not use what they spent so much time and effort cusomizing.
and i thouht i posted a rant on this earlier, but it looks like i forgot to hit send, so:
the photo functionality is shitty, which is why you have shitty photos, and why ppl play shitty games with the shittiest of the photos. do you have any idea how many good photogs took their shit off this site when the front page option went for crap? it is so not worth it anymore to put good pictures up on this site. example: i have a bout a billion amazing pictures that i could have put up with my trip report (30 ish posts by me, and 12000+ views, please tell me that's not worthwhile content), but the photos on this site are such a pain in the ass, that is just didnt post any. doesnt that suck?
if you have stupid shit, ppl are gonna treat it like stupid shit. if you have good photo functionality, ppl are going to put up good photos. THAT is pretty simple.
the fixes for all this shit are so simple!! why are we having yet another mods-underwear-twisty episode over stuff that is really easy to hard-code into the boards? every stupid webcomic has php board where they can set the sig lengths and killfile. please explain to me again why we dont?
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angry
Feb 8, 2008, 9:39 PM
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I see what you did there
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clausti
Feb 8, 2008, 9:40 PM
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i feel it's working rather well.
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madriver
Feb 8, 2008, 9:42 PM
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hey clausti...didn't you get banned?
Love always
MaD
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clausti
Feb 8, 2008, 9:44 PM
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madriver wrote: hey clausti...didn't you get banned? Love always MaD
gr3ml!NbaNz3d, app4rently.
though the night is young.
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wideguy
Feb 8, 2008, 9:44 PM
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clausti wrote: seriously, reno? the long sig lines are obnoxious, i'll admit, but that IS A CODING PROBLEM. and you need to fix that shit. and if fixing it isnt easy, DDT picked some really fucking shitty software, didnt he? the fixes for all this shit are so simple!! why are we having yet another mods-underwear-twisty episode over stuff that is really easy to hard-code into the boards?
or you COULD look at it the other way. Sure we could solve speeding on highways but governing every car to 60 MPH. Or we could just put rules in place and ask people to follow them.
Crazy idea, I know.
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reno
Feb 8, 2008, 9:46 PM
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clausti wrote: seriously, reno? the long sig lines are obnoxious, i'll admit, but that IS A CODING PROBLEM. and you need to fix that shit. and if fixing it isnt easy, DDT picked some really fucking shitty software, didnt he?
Hey, Clausti:
Yes, I suppose it *is* a coding issue, and it needs to be fixed. I'm not a code person. Y'all know that. Hell, I have enough trouble getting Spider Solitaire to load properly. So I can't comment about how difficult it is to fix, or the quality of the software.
But until such time as it CAN get fixed, is it so unreasonable to say "Hey, could you please shorten your sig a bit so other people don't have to deal with it in every post?" Is it really too much to ask that folks think of other people from time to time? Or is the "It's all about ME!!!!1" mentality taking primacy of position?
In reply to: and as far as the PC++ shit- THAT IS WHAT A KILLFILE IS FOR. you can click "killfile" and all the PC++'s in tha thread will magically go away. and all of them in all the other threads by that user will go away too! that would save so much time.
And then you'd miss the times when that person has something of value to say, helpful advice, or wise input. Kill File doesn't separate the wheat from the chaff.... it just dumps the whole damn bushel in the compost pile. We ought to be able to do better.
In reply to: i STILL dont understand why they switched away from the old coding.. you paid for it, didnt you? why the hell not use what they spent so much time and effort cusomizing.
Again, not being a code guy (and not being the guy who gets to make such decisions,) I don't have that answer. I think a big part of it was the constant problem of the old site crashing, not loading, and not working.
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clausti
Feb 8, 2008, 9:46 PM
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wideguy wrote: clausti wrote: seriously, reno? the long sig lines are obnoxious, i'll admit, but that IS A CODING PROBLEM. and you need to fix that shit. and if fixing it isnt easy, DDT picked some really fucking shitty software, didnt he? the fixes for all this shit are so simple!! why are we having yet another mods-underwear-twisty episode over stuff that is really easy to hard-code into the boards? or you COULD look at it the other way. Sure we could solve speeding on highways but governing every car to 60 MPH. Or we could just put rules in place and ask people to follow them. Crazy idea, I know.
except for this isnt a highway, its a message board. thousands of other message boards have figured out a simple solution to this problem. are we really that special ed? do you expect me to count the characters in my sig line when i change it? cause yeah, i have no intention of doing that. hell, i might be over 200 characters now, and i'd never know.
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reno
Feb 8, 2008, 9:50 PM
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clausti wrote: except for this isnt a highway, its a message board. thousands of other message boards have figured out a simple solution to this problem. are we really that special ed? do you expect me to count the characters in my sig line when i change it? cause yeah, i have no intention of doing that. hell, i might be over 200 characters now, and i'd never know.
Certainly there is a difference between 201 characters and a sig line that has fifteen quoted posts from nine different users.
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clausti
Feb 8, 2008, 9:53 PM
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reno wrote: clausti wrote: seriously, reno? the long sig lines are obnoxious, i'll admit, but that IS A CODING PROBLEM. and you need to fix that shit. and if fixing it isnt easy, DDT picked some really fucking shitty software, didnt he? Hey, Clausti: Yes, I suppose it *is* a coding issue, and it needs to be fixed. I'm not a code person. Y'all know that. Hell, I have enough trouble getting Spider Solitaire to load properly. So I can't comment about how difficult it is to fix, or the quality of the software.
well, i can tell you that the php softare would do it, because a bajillion podunkass web comics have the sig lengths hard-set.
In reply to: But until such time as it CAN get fixed, is it so unreasonable to say "Hey, could you please shorten your sig a bit so other people don't have to deal with it in every post?" Is it really too much to ask that folks think of other people from time to time? Or is the "It's all about ME!!!!1" mentality taking primacy of position?
no, i dont think that's unreasonable.... did you do that? cause if you did, i totally missed it. what i saw was a few days, (two days?) of it being mildly annoying to mildly amusing, and then philbox going MOD SMASH CHANGE SIGS NNNNOOOWWW!
In reply to: In reply to: and as far as the PC++ shit- THAT IS WHAT A KILLFILE IS FOR. you can click "killfile" and all the PC++'s in tha thread will magically go away. and all of them in all the other threads by that user will go away too! that would save so much time. And then you'd miss the times when that person has something of value to say, helpful advice, or wise input. Kill File doesn't separate the wheat from the chaff.... it just dumps the whole damn bushel in the compost pile. We ought to be able to do better.
if its a simple toggle button, you can turn it off while you read the thread, then turn it on again. it was fairly easy to do on the old site. but really, if you dont like a person's style that much, why read what they have to say? you might be able to make teh ev!l BET thread go away entirely!
In reply to: In reply to: i STILL dont understand why they switched away from the old coding.. you paid for it, didnt you? why the hell not use what they spent so much time and effort cusomizing. Again, not being a code guy (and not being the guy who gets to make such decisions,) I don't have that answer. I think a big part of it was the constant problem of the old site crashing, not loading, and not working.
yeah well i would be really fucking interested in knowing that answer.
the reason the old site crashed, as i understand it, was that the hamsters went for shit. but why oh why did you change coding and hamsters at the same time? why couldn't you just see what the old code looked like on the new hamsters?? i'm betting my two cents that DDT is kicking himself for NOT doing that. but now his metaphorical face as well as sn is all red, and he cant/wont admit that he shouldnt have changed so much at once, and since it realyl is hard to change software implementations, its kind of too late to go back, and now this one sucks.
and now we have created a post with multitudious quote strings! whatever will we do!
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clausti
Feb 8, 2008, 9:54 PM
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YOU MOVED MY THREAD!
THIS IS TO ADDRESS PEEPS IN TEH SCUMMUNITY FORUM, AND I WANT IT BACK THERE!
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dr_feelgood
Feb 8, 2008, 10:17 PM
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clausti wrote: YOU MOVED MY THREAD! THIS IS TO ADDRESS PEEPS IN TEH SCUMMUNITY FORUM, AND I WANT IT BACK THERE!
Welcome to Gitmo
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Feb 8, 2008, 11:26 PM
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reno wrote: clausti wrote: and as far as the PC++ shit- THAT IS WHAT A KILLFILE IS FOR. you can click "killfile" and all the PC++'s in tha thread will magically go away. and all of them in all the other threads by that user will go away too! that would save so much time. And then you'd miss the times when that person has something of value to say, helpful advice, or wise input. Kill File doesn't separate the wheat from the chaff.... it just dumps the whole damn bushel in the compost pile. We ought to be able to do better.
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granite_grrl
Feb 9, 2008, 1:17 AM
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They should just ban Brent, that would be the easiest thing to do.
We never liked him anyway.
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clausti
Feb 9, 2008, 2:24 AM
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granite_grrl wrote: They should just ban Brent, that would be the easiest thing to do. We never liked him anyway.
ouch.
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you have to give the code change the benefit of the doubt. We don't know what kind of shape it was in. Sometimes a complete rewrite is in order just because you have to take care of so many cliff hangers and IF's that are no longer important.
This is one of the many reasons why microsoft made a whole new OS (vista) rather then continuing to worry about making it compatible with their older versions.
that being said...the choice of the new software should allow all the features that are useful in the old system with the ability to expand however seems fit.
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clausti
Feb 10, 2008, 4:50 PM
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microbarn wrote: you have to give the code change the benefit of the doubt. We don't know what kind of shape it was in. Sometimes a complete rewrite is in order just because you have to take care of so many cliff hangers and IF's that are no longer important. This is one of the many reasons why microsoft made a whole new OS (vista) rather then continuing to worry about making it compatible with their older versions. that being said...the choice of the new software should allow all the features that are useful in the old system with the ability to expand however seems fit.
hehe, that turned out really well for microsoft, too, didnt it?
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jakedatc
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Clausti i think they gave up hope on ever having a good photo system.. they get like 15 pics a day coming in and seem to be happy with that.
Mountain Project is the place to go for photos and route databases. You should post your pictures there.. i'd like to see them
I agree 100% about the kill file you'd think after how long now of us bitching about it they'd actually listen to the users but it's always "we don't know how.. so... we aren't going to"
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zeke_sf
Feb 12, 2008, 9:54 PM
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Iz can post to thr3d with "bet" in it? *waits for banzing*
After nearly a week of getting booted back to general populace, I have to agree with Jake (well, I actually thought this already but I thought I should be nice to Jake for once). The actual "climbing" parts of this site are far excelled by places like mproject. Of course, there are the odd crags where rc.com provides better beta, but this is a rarity. I really think it is the social aspect of this site that sets rc.com apart. To wit, something like killfile would seem an appropriate tool for us to have although I 100% don't use it.
I'm conflicted on automatic deletion of redundant "n00b" posts that has been discussed in related threads. First, sometimes equipment/techniques really do change and should be addressed. Second, how would we decide which post(s) really answered the question with the best possible wording and information for everybody? Perhaps the beginners forum should just be a button on the frontpage and not have posts that shoot out and disturb the holy bejeezus out of the crusties?
It seems like an (de)evolving conversation is what this site does best, whether that be discussion on technique, equipment, etiquette, or even conversation threads like the bet. Too much moderation, inconsistently applied may very well kill that strength. Personally, seeing somebody like Dingus who really exemplifies why I like this site (crotchety trad or no) express such a desire to sever with rc.com entirely seems like it should trigger a little evaluation. Of course, we're rock climbers and we will find some iconoclast bitch-fit to whine about no matter what....
*looks up at what he wrote*
I'm not reading this.
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zeke_sf
Feb 12, 2008, 10:02 PM
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reno wrote: clausti wrote: except for this isnt a highway, its a message board. thousands of other message boards have figured out a simple solution to this problem. are we really that special ed? do you expect me to count the characters in my sig line when i change it? cause yeah, i have no intention of doing that. hell, i might be over 200 characters now, and i'd never know. Certainly there is a difference between 201 characters and a sig line that has fifteen quoted posts from nine different users.
Mine's ~50 characters over. I could edit it down, if it bothers you. I'm quite proud of that sig though since it perfectly anticipated the knee-jerk reaction that occured.
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dingus
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When yall gonna understand that the owners of this site don't give a FUCK what you want???????
DMT
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zeke_sf
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dingus wrote: When yall gonna understand that the owners of this site don't give a FUCK what you want??????? DMT
You have a point. I think this is more like pie in the sky wishlistery than anything else. Similarly, why do we all keep polishing this turd expecting to find real gold instead of just chunks of golden corn?
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jakedatc
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dingus wrote: When yall gonna understand that the owners of this site don't give a FUCK what you want??????? DMT
Just letting them know.... that we know... :)
so shoulda been changed to CrankZone.com!!1111 
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...?post=680372;#680372
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ddt
Feb 13, 2008, 3:51 AM
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dingus wrote: When yall gonna understand that the owners of this site don't give a FUCK what you want??????? DMT
Hey now, that's unfair. You wanted a delete button (here), and we gave it to you!
DDT
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chossmonkey wrote: reno wrote: clausti wrote: and as far as the PC++ shit- THAT IS WHAT A KILLFILE IS FOR. you can click "killfile" and all the PC++'s in tha thread will magically go away. and all of them in all the other threads by that user will go away too! that would save so much time. And then you'd miss the times when that person has something of value to say, helpful advice, or wise input. Kill File doesn't separate the wheat from the chaff.... it just dumps the whole damn bushel in the compost pile. We ought to be able to do better. And yet you guys keep on keepin' on with the whole "BET" lumping BS.
well, you guys actually know brent_e. or, knew him, before he got taken by the succubus.
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