Generally frowned upon, but commonly done anyway.

JT512? Where are you, man?

We're rehashing the lowering vs. repelling thing. Again.

repelling trolls?

repelling trolls?

This troll never fails to catch the tradsters.

It's Just bad form! Just rap off, it's more fun anyway.

Blech. Rappelling. At least I didn't go the "raping" route.

You really didn't have anything better to do than resurrect a two week old thread to correct my spelling?

This troll never fails to catch the tradsters.

I'm more a traddy than anything else, and I almost always lower from rings. We're talking about these, right?

[image]http://www.fixeusa.com/images/products/anchors/032-040_300x373.gif[/image]

It's perfectly fine to lower from these. Ropes aren't channeled into the same place on the ring every time and, even if they do wear out, they're easy as Hell to replace.

I hadn't thought about the even wear aspect of those anchors. Still it's easy to just throw a couple of draw on any anchors and let the follower deal. Cuts wear in half. <---bad choice of words

Isn,t this the sport climbing forum? Rapping off of rings on a sport climb? WTF. Maybe if it's 6 pitches. How about clipping in a couple draws then lowering or TRing or what the F ever else you want to do. DONE AND DONE. Clean draws later or donate to the cause....your choice.

"Clean draws later or donate to the cause..." What? Sport climbing would soon outstrip the cost of traditional climbing if I made a habit of leaving draws at the top.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that each member of the party is directly lowering off the fixed protection. I've read this as the way the last party member gets off the route when they've cleaned their own gear.

Depending upon the nature of the route, I'm about as likely to rappel as to lower. The extra time spent isn't significant, and my partner can use that time to grab a drink, swap shoes, etc. That said, it's pretty common for the last member of the party to be lowered. We should all speak up if we see someone toproping or every member of a party lowering from fixed anchors.

As far as lowering off the anchors? Obviously, with a few limited exceptions, it has and is in my opinion, become the norm to lower off of rings.

If you cant' place draws to tr off of then you are just a total WANKER! In that case, SPEAK OUT by all means.

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First of all this is a sport climbing forum. If it was general or trad or something other than sport climbing I could see your point.However once again on rc.com someone comes along audaciously takes a comment out of context and sprays on some all-truistic bullshit. Your comment assumes two things.Both of which are incorrect. First of all it assumes that I dont know my local ethics.Hmmm, How could you know this? I have lived all over the country and climbed all over the world, as well as put up a few FA's both trad and sport,and even a few bouldering problems here and there.I know what the local ethics are in more than a few areas and have ALWAYS abided by them.Second your post assumes I dont trad climb.I will admit in the last several years I have forsakin my rack for the convenience of bolts, but I still trad climb and at a reasonable level.Respectable anyway.As far as topping out trad climbs.There are many walk off and many rap off's, it depends on the climb and the area,and even within those parameters it can vary.J-tree rap offs, Yosemite walk offs. Your profile reveals a qoute from MLK so I have to assume you are a decent person.Please try to keep in context. I am no wanker. I have made plenty of sacrifices, and committed to tons of hard work to stay in the game and continue to climb hard. Even with running a busines,taking care of a family,and commuting 3 1/2 hours every weekend back and forth to the crags....After all these years it is still FUN.Good luck to you, happy climbing!