And when I was thinking of needing another water bottle recently, I didn't get another Nalgene, BPA-free or not. I got Sigg. Even more pricey and fancy, LOL...

Can you point to where you got that info? I've been looking for something concrete amongst the media hype so I can decide for myself if my Nalgenes need to be replaced. Nothing beats data, preferably not from a study funded by one of the interested parties.

Btw, here's another chemical to watch out for:
http://www.gopetition.com/online/2479.html

Kathy

And, as a result, their net harm to the planet is more than if they had bought a used (or probably even new) simple gas Corolla or Civic.

Sorry, just had a snipe a bit in here. Tongue

We all due respect, ja1484, this is not a good analogy. Tylenol has harmful side effects, but it also has therapeutical benefits. Are there any benefits to BPA?
Also, when I take tylenol, I take it b/c the benefits outweigh the risks. However, I would not like tylenol added to my regular drinking water.

Toyota Prius the claimed miracle environmental savior (for which privilege stupid people pay through the nose) has batteries which cannot be disposed of and which need a replacement with a new environmentally damaging and costly load after just few years!!! They may save 100 dollars in fuels per year, but cost $2000 in batteries and expensive maintenance per year. Not to mention that the new car cost same as a small sports luxury but behaves on the road like a cheap Korean compact. And what about the costly "fuel cell" or "hydrogen" cars or buses? All the retard greenies claim they run cheap emitting water - but do they tell us how cheaply the hydrogen is produced (how much oil is burnt to produce it), or what happens with the very nocive catalysts they need? Nope! And who ultimately and unwillingly pays for all these toys? We do, the honest hard working taxpayers in order to maintain a parasitics "green" industry of consultants and advisor's and grants.

and

Are you are aware that the author of the article published a follow up in the same publication admitting that the statistics he used to compare the Prius and Hummer are bogus?

I guess it's a good reason not to believe everything you read on the internet...then again?

Toyota Prius the claimed miracle environmental savior (for which privilege stupid people pay through the nose) has batteries which cannot be disposed of and which need a replacement with a new environmentally damaging and costly load after just few years!!!

Not to mention that the new car cost same as a small sports luxury but behaves on the road like a cheap Korean compact.

And who ultimately and unwillingly pays for all these toys? We do, the honest hard working taxpayers in order to maintain a parasitics "green" industry of consultants and advisor's and grants.

And lined with plastic.



BPA-free, I know, but many folk have been turning to Sigg thinking they are plastic-free. Which they are not.

*cough* bullsh*t *cough*

NiMH batteries can be recycled and disposed of safely, and they are used in many applications besides automobiles. Not to mention, all cars contain hazardous materials, but there is already an established industry for disposing of them safely.


Base price on a prius is $21k. Not the cheapest car on the market, but hardly a luxury car price.


Prius owners pay for their own cars. They don't get a tax write-off anymore.

But I'm sure that if you actually added up all the math, you probably pay more for a cup of coffee than you do for a year's worth of enviro incentives and research. We have 300 million people in the US, so a dollar or two per person goes a long way.


So Einstein, how else did you plan to deal with the fact that oil production is starting to level off, as evidenced by the constant increase in gas prices?

The industry and factory build on's and the new machinary and processes that were needed to start these new divisions of "green" vehicle's, has caused enough polution that it would take 1,000,000 Prius's, driving 30,000 miles a year, 28 years to make up for the polution caused in their making.

Yes we do need to do something about oil, but doing things that look good that really aren't good, is not helping.

The technology we have now, I find it hard to believe we cannot come up with an alternative fuel source that won't either cause more damage than it fixes or cripple us agriculturally (ethanol).

No, not lined with plastic. It is more like ceramic than plastic. A matter of definition, I guess. And yes, still an synthetic artificial compound that may turn out to leach yet another dangerous chemical sometime down the road. I have contemplated using kleen kanteen (stainless) for this reason... If the store had carried them, i would have probably gotten stainless steel. And I still might get one... I do have couple thermoses... still good after ~12 years, and will probably keep going for 50 more, unless I lose them.

LOL, someone should tell MSR to start selling $50 titanium water bottles

Jeeze stinky....you fart every 7 seconds?....WTF?

for all this green talk crap - ever think what impact every one of our climbing shoes and the rubber leaves behind - and what about the methane and hydrogen gas we as humans release everyday into the atmosphere(by farting-which we release once every 7 seconds) you want a vehicle that runs well invent one that has a commode that sucks the methane and hydrogen out of our asses so we can get to our local crag - now thats what i call stopping global warming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and for the record i buy my water bottles at wal-mart in the plastic bottle made from god knows what

you want a vehicle that runs well invent one that has a commode that sucks the methane and hydrogen out of our asses so we can get to our local crag - now thats what i call stopping global warming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even your statement that the gas savings is less than the initial cost is actually wrong. If you take the 2008 Civic vs Civic Hybrid, and assume you drive 15,000 miles per year, then at the current cost of $3.75/gallon, it would take about 14 years to break even. Fair enough.

BUT - For the last 5 years, gas prices have been increasing by an average of 22% per year. Taking this into account, the Civic Hybrid would pay for itself in a little over 6 years.

BUT - If you wait 6 years to buy the Hybrid, and gasoline continues to increase by 22% per year, then gas in 6 years would be over $12 per gallon. At that price, and assuming again a 22% per year increase after you purchase the car, the Hybrid would pay for itself in a bit over 3 years.

However, this analysis does not include the facts that the batteries have been getting cheaper over time, mass production will lower costs, and competition will lower costs. So over time, I believe that the premium you'll have to pay for a hybrid will be a lot less than it is now.

Do you really think you'd still be driving 15,000 mile/yr if gas was $12/gallon? Battery technology unfortunately, hasn't exactly been developing at warp speed. Admit it, Prius doesn't make a whole lot of economic sense for most people who bought it.

However, higher gas prices is starting to have the effect of prompting car makers to build lighter and more fuel efficient vehicles at affordable prices.

And lined with plastic.



BPA-free, I know, but many folk have been turning to Sigg thinking they are plastic-free. Which they are not.

This point certainly smacks of unwanted advice, and is also quite useless. Do you walk around the gym giving out beta unprompted also?

If you think its your job to make a smart comment every time someone gives unsolicited advice on this website, you have a lot of work on your hands.

Besides, I wasn't giving advice at all in this instance.

It's not lined with plastic. While the reps won't say exactly what it is (sketchy) it is not plastic.