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camilleguignard
Jul 13, 2008, 2:22 PM
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I have read about frenchies and i still wonder why we should lock off on the way down rather than on the way up, lock off on the way up and then finish the pull up look closer (yet very far) to what we do on the rock
thanks for your comments
have fun climbing
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mturner
Jul 13, 2008, 3:24 PM
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agreed, that's how I do them
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borntorocku
Jul 13, 2008, 6:43 PM
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I lock off on the way up.
Doing too many lock offs tweaks my elbow so I usually add weight.
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I may be completely off-base, but when someone showed me how to do a frenchie, the lock-off wasn't on the way up OR on the way down. The lock-off point was the lowest point of that part of a pull-up.
E.i. one frenchie as shown to me was:
--pull-up
--lower to elbows at 90 degrees angle, lock-off and hold, then pull up all the way up without going further down from 90 degrees
--lower to elbows at 120 degrees angle, lock off and hold, then pull all the way up without going further down from the position when your elbows are bent at 120 degrees
-- lower to elbows almost straight, just a micro-bend, lock-off and hold, then pull back up.
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sungam
Jul 13, 2008, 9:45 PM
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lena_chita wrote: I may be completely off-base, but when someone showed me how to do a frenchie, the lock-off wasn't on the way up OR on the way down. The lock-off point was the lowest point of that part of a pull-up. E.i. one frenchie as shown to me was: --pull-up --lower to elbows at 90 degrees angle, lock-off and hold, then pull up all the way up without going further down from 90 degrees --lower to elbows at 120 degrees angle, lock off and hold, then pull all the way up without going further down from the position when your elbows are bent at 120 degrees -- lower to elbows almost straight, just a micro-bend, lock-off and hold, then pull back up.
you can also add a 45 degree lock, too, but most don't. I can see how it would be usefull, though.
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mturner
Jul 14, 2008, 4:02 PM
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sungam wrote: lena_chita wrote: I may be completely off-base, but when someone showed me how to do a frenchie, the lock-off wasn't on the way up OR on the way down. The lock-off point was the lowest point of that part of a pull-up. E.i. one frenchie as shown to me was: --pull-up --lower to elbows at 90 degrees angle, lock-off and hold, then pull up all the way up without going further down from 90 degrees --lower to elbows at 120 degrees angle, lock off and hold, then pull all the way up without going further down from the position when your elbows are bent at 120 degrees -- lower to elbows almost straight, just a micro-bend, lock-off and hold, then pull back up. yeah that's right, the lock is the low point. you can also add a 45 degree lock, too, but most don't. I can see how it would be usefull, though.
I do 45,90, 120+
I go all the way up and lock, then all the way down, then 90 and lock and then all the way down, then 120+ and lock and then done. I'd say I am locking on the way up, no?
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serious1
Jul 22, 2008, 2:17 PM
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http://fitness102.blogspot.com/2007/10/do-you-climb-frenchies-can-help.html
I do them this way. I can't believe I didn't start doing them earlier. They're a really good exercise.
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mturner
Jul 22, 2008, 6:12 PM
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That article sounds like the traditional way of doing frenchies. However, I was surprised to read that you should rest 3 minutes in between sets. I've heard 30 seconds to a minute because this is an endurance exercise, not a power exercise. Interesting.
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Arrogant_Bastard
Jul 23, 2008, 4:58 PM
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mturner wrote: That article sounds like the traditional way of doing frenchies. However, I was surprised to read that you should rest 3 minutes in between sets. I've heard 30 seconds to a minute because this is an endurance exercise, not a power exercise. Interesting.
I think it makes more sense to do them your way (i.e. lock off on your way up and then lower without finishing the pullup). You have a finite amount of energy, so if you finish the pullup you're going to spend more energy on that and be able to do less frenchies. If that's what you want, fine, but I think the lockoffs are more important to a climber than doing boatloads of pullups.
I'd also lean towards shorter rests as you're trying to build up lactic acid tolerance. However, if too short a rest is the difference between being able to do another set or not, perhaps a longer rest would be more beneficial -- at least at the start. With time lessen the rest.
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jto
Aug 6, 2008, 8:50 PM
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You can train strength or strength endurance with different kinds of chins/pullups combining static and dynamic work. So called Frenchies fall in this category too.
- You can stop where ever arm angle you like but stress your weaknesses. Usually 1-3 stops per rep is ok.
- The length of the static work (stops) varies usually between 1-10 seconds.
- The reps can vary also depending on what you´re training for.
Cheers.
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