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rtwilli4
Jul 22, 2008, 3:16 AM
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OK I have to get this out.
I like reading the posts here. I learn a lot, and am entertained. But I'm tired of reading questions like "how do I do this move" and "what does it take to climb 5.12" or "what am i doing wrong" or "what book will help my footwork."
Why why WHY!!! Do people think that THINKING about stuff and talking about it can help. Sure, reading about how to build an anchor or even finger strength may be productive, but why the hell do people think that they can find out how to climb harder numbers by asking questions on here, and more importantly, WHY DO THEY CARE
Climbing is supposed to be fun. I say that I lead .11b's but the truth is, I don't really know what I can lead at. It may be 10a's or it may be 12a's. I don't even know the grade of the last 10 or 12 lines I've climbed. I've on sighted a few 11c's, and I think I could do it again but I would only do it if it looked like a fun line. Sure I want to climb 5.12 but I probably will do it without even realizing it. Shit, I may have already done it!
I dunno, I'm sorry to ramble... I just wish that everyone could be as carefree and fun loving as me when it comes to climbing. I have the most fun when I climb with n00b's because they don't give a fuck what they are climbing, or how cool their shoes look... they are just happy to be doing it. Lighten up folks... it's sposed to be fun :)
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rmiller
Jul 22, 2008, 3:29 AM
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What makes your position on fun more valuable than anyone else's? How do you know the person that perseverates on numbers isn't having as much fun? Seems like you care about "not caring" and maybe someone else cares about gaging their improvement, and the way this sport measures that is through numbers.
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You're right, I don't give a rats ass that you climb 11c. Why bring it up in the first place??? Does it lend credibility to your position?
DMT
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Jul 22, 2008, 3:44 AM
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The best climber is the one who has the most spray.
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rtwilli4
Jul 22, 2008, 3:50 AM
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fair comments... i guess I was asking for it.
I do care about what I climb... I just don't think it is important enough to scour the internet for ways to climb harder. I don't think it is possible to learn how to climb harder on this website. Sure you can learn how to train, but some of the questions I see on here just make me want to... well.... take that person climbing with me!!!
To each his own... I was just venting a little.
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rtwilli4
Jul 22, 2008, 3:52 AM
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dingus wrote: You're right, I don't give a rats ass that you climb 11c. Why bring it up in the first place??? Does it lend credibility to your position? DMT
and I think I'd have to be climbing a lot harder than I do to expect credibility just because of the grade I climb.
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dingus
Jul 22, 2008, 3:54 AM
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rtwilli4 wrote: fair comments... i guess I was asking for it. I do care about what I climb... I just don't think it is important enough to scour the internet for ways to climb harder. I don't think it is possible to learn how to climb harder on this website. Sure you can learn how to train, but some of the questions I see on here just make me want to... well.... take that person climbing with me!!! To each his own... I was just venting a little.
Right on dude. You roll with the punches I see.
I would only counter with this... it is perfectly natural for Grasshoppers to Ask Many Questions. Season in / season out, new Grasshoppers ask same ole questions. Oldsters can rant and rave and point to the FAQ's until they go mad (witness JT512) AND STILL GRASSHOPPERS ASK SAME QUESTIONS.
Some teachers teach as a gift. Some teach with kindness. Others, with the rod.
And some folks just ain't cut out for teaching atall.
But no matter what, as sure as 32 feet per second per second, Grasshoppers will ask questions.
Cheers
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rtwilli4
Jul 22, 2008, 3:57 AM
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always a fan of your insight ding... now i'm going to sleep so I can get up early and go climbing :)
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rtwilli4 wrote: always a fan of your insight ding... now i'm going to sleep so I can get up early and go climbing :)
I see you still have a lot to learn if you want to cause even a ripple on RC.com.
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For a post ranting about number, there sure are a lot of numbers in this post.
rtwilli4 wrote: OK I have to get this out. I like reading the posts here. I learn a lot, and am entertained. But I'm tired of reading questions like "how do I do this move" and "what does it take to climb 5.12" or "what am i doing wrong" or "what book will help my footwork." Why why WHY!!! Do people think that THINKING about stuff and talking about it can help. Sure, reading about how to build an anchor or even finger strength may be productive, but why the hell do people think that they can find out how to climb harder numbers by asking questions on here, and more importantly, WHY DO THEY CARE Climbing is supposed to be fun. I say that I lead .11b's but the truth is, I don't really know what I can lead at. It may be 10a's or it may be 12a's. I don't even know the grade of the last 10 or 12 lines I've climbed. I've on sighted a few 11c's, and I think I could do it again but I would only do it if it looked like a fun line. Sure I want to climb 5.12 but I probably will do it without even realizing it. Shit, I may have already done it! I dunno, I'm sorry to ramble... I just wish that everyone could be as carefree and fun loving as me when it comes to climbing. I have the most fun when I climb with n00b's because they don't give a fuck what they are climbing, or how cool their shoes look... they are just happy to be doing it. Lighten up folks... it's sposed to be fun :) |
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rtwilli4 wrote: always a fan of your insight ding... now i'm going to sleep so I can get up early and go climbing :)
I wonder what percentage of "you guys post too much/who care about numbers/I hate rc.knob" rants end in some form of "i can't post anymore because I have to go climb" as a subtle jab saying "LOOK! I CLIMB! I WAS RIGHT AFTERALL!"
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rtwilli4 wrote: OK I have to get this out. I like reading the posts here. I learn a lot, and am entertained. But I'm tired of reading questions like "how do I do this move" and "what does it take to climb 5.12" or "what am i doing wrong" or "what book will help my footwork." Why why WHY!!! Do people think that THINKING about stuff and talking about it can help. Sure, reading about how to build an anchor or even finger strength may be productive, but why the hell do people think that they can find out how to climb harder numbers by asking questions on here, and more importantly, WHY DO THEY CARE Climbing is supposed to be fun. I say that I lead .11b's but the truth is, I don't really know what I can lead at. It may be 10a's or it may be 12a's. I don't even know the grade of the last 10 or 12 lines I've climbed. I've on sighted a few 11c's, and I think I could do it again but I would only do it if it looked like a fun line. Sure I want to climb 5.12 but I probably will do it without even realizing it. Shit, I may have already done it! I dunno, I'm sorry to ramble... I just wish that everyone could be as carefree and fun loving as me when it comes to climbing. I have the most fun when I climb with n00b's because they don't give a fuck what they are climbing, or how cool their shoes look... they are just happy to be doing it. Lighten up folks... it's sposed to be fun :)
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chossmonkey
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Arrogant_Bastard wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: always a fan of your insight ding... now i'm going to sleep so I can get up early and go climbing :) I wonder what percentage of "you guys post too much/who care about numbers/I hate rc.knob" rants end in some form of "i can't post anymore because I have to go climb" as a subtle jab saying "LOOK! I CLIMB! I WAS RIGHT AFTERALL!"
Lets go climbing bowling.
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getout87
Jul 22, 2008, 5:01 PM
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chossmonkey wrote: Arrogant_Bastard wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: always a fan of your insight ding... now i'm going to sleep so I can get up early and go climbing :) I wonder what percentage of "you guys post too much/who care about numbers/I hate rc.knob" rants end in some form of "i can't post anymore because I have to go climb" as a subtle jab saying "LOOK! I CLIMB! I WAS RIGHT AFTERALL!" Fuck it Dude. Lets go climbing bowling.
Bowling? Thats pussy shit. Lets go curling.
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granite_grrl
Jul 22, 2008, 5:09 PM
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getout87 wrote: chossmonkey wrote: Arrogant_Bastard wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: always a fan of your insight ding... now i'm going to sleep so I can get up early and go climbing :) I wonder what percentage of "you guys post too much/who care about numbers/I hate rc.knob" rants end in some form of "i can't post anymore because I have to go climb" as a subtle jab saying "LOOK! I CLIMB! I WAS RIGHT AFTERALL!" Fuck it Dude. Lets go climbing bowling. Bowling? Thats pussy shit. Lets go curling.
You're out of your element....
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chossmonkey
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granite_grrl wrote: getout87 wrote: chossmonkey wrote: Arrogant_Bastard wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: always a fan of your insight ding... now i'm going to sleep so I can get up early and go climbing :) I wonder what percentage of "you guys post too much/who care about numbers/I hate rc.knob" rants end in some form of "i can't post anymore because I have to go climb" as a subtle jab saying "LOOK! I CLIMB! I WAS RIGHT AFTERALL!" Fuck it Dude. Lets go climbing bowling. Bowling? Thats pussy shit. Lets go curling. You're out of your element....
BTW, you forgot to tell the donny to STFU!!!
But you still get points.
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Arrogant_Bastard
Jul 22, 2008, 5:16 PM
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getout87 wrote: chossmonkey wrote: Arrogant_Bastard wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: always a fan of your insight ding... now i'm going to sleep so I can get up early and go climbing :) I wonder what percentage of "you guys post too much/who care about numbers/I hate rc.knob" rants end in some form of "i can't post anymore because I have to go climb" as a subtle jab saying "LOOK! I CLIMB! I WAS RIGHT AFTERALL!" Fuck it Dude. Lets go climbing bowling. Bowling? Thats pussy shit. Lets go curling.
You're obviously not a golfer.
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rmiller wrote: What makes your position on fun more valuable than anyone else's? How do you know the person that perseverates on numbers isn't having as much fun? Seems like you care about "not caring" and maybe someone else cares about gaging their improvement, and the way this sport measures that is through numbers.
He is a 5.11+ climber dude
can't you read?
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chossmonkey
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Arrogant_Bastard wrote: getout87 wrote: chossmonkey wrote: Arrogant_Bastard wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: always a fan of your insight ding... now i'm going to sleep so I can get up early and go climbing :) I wonder what percentage of "you guys post too much/who care about numbers/I hate rc.knob" rants end in some form of "i can't post anymore because I have to go climb" as a subtle jab saying "LOOK! I CLIMB! I WAS RIGHT AFTERALL!" Fuck it Dude. Lets go climbing bowling. Bowling? Thats pussy shit. Lets go curling. You're obviously not a golfer.
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chossmonkey wrote: Arrogant_Bastard wrote: getout87 wrote: chossmonkey wrote: Arrogant_Bastard wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: always a fan of your insight ding... now i'm going to sleep so I can get up early and go climbing :) I wonder what percentage of "you guys post too much/who care about numbers/I hate rc.knob" rants end in some form of "i can't post anymore because I have to go climb" as a subtle jab saying "LOOK! I CLIMB! I WAS RIGHT AFTERALL!" Fuck it Dude. Lets go climbing bowling. Bowling? Thats pussy shit. Lets go curling. You're obviously not a golfer. Woo, do you think we have the wrong guy?
Wanna buy a beanie?
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kriso9tails
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rtwilli4 wrote: Why why WHY!!! Do people think that THINKING about stuff and talking about it can help.
Yeah man; if there's one major problem with the world it's people THINKING about stuff.
In reply to: WHY DO THEY CARE[?]
They don't necessarily care. Some people are just lonely and trying to spark what they think to be topical conversation on a climbing forum board. Granted, this is really the wrong place for that, but you have to post up a bit first to get that.
In reply to: I don't even know the grade of the last 10 or 12 lines I've climbed. I've on sighted a few 11c's, and I think I could do it again but I would only do it if it looked like a fun line. Sure I want to climb 5.12 but I probably will do it without even realizing it. Shit, I may have already done it!
Yeah? Well I don't know the grades of the last thirty or so lines I've climbed. I should also add that I didn't know three times as hard and four times better than you didn't know. And then after that I fell on a 5.1 and didn't even care, 'cause it was a super awesome line and I'm not about the grades.
Anyway, hope the climbing went well today. Hope you crushed that 'it might have been a 12, but then again it might not' in good form.
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Wanna buy a beanie?
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kriso9tails wrote: In reply to: I don't even know the grade of the last 10 or 12 lines I've climbed. I've on sighted a few 11c's, and I think I could do it again but I would only do it if it looked like a fun line. Sure I want to climb 5.12 but I probably will do it without even realizing it. Shit, I may have already done it! Yeah? Well I don't know the grades of the last thirty or so lines I've climbed. I should also add that I didn't know three times as hard and four times better than you didn't know. And then after that I fell on a 5.1 and didn't even care, 'cause it was a super awesome line and I'm not about the grades.
I do know the grades of the last 30 climbs I've climbed: they're all in the 5.6 to 5.8 range. I can't tell you which exact 30 climbs I've been on, though with some prodding I'm sure I could remember. But I know the grades because I know my limitations and understand that certain grades don't intrigue me.
For instance, I don't care how interesting a 5.1 looks, I probably won't climb it unless it's the only thing worth climbing in that area. 5.1 just doesn't interest me. On the other side, I'm not at a point where I can climb hard 5.10 trad (though I probably should try). I'm certainly not to a point where I can do it confidently, which is somewhat of a standard I use (confidence + challenge = fulfillment), so why try?
I guess I'm saying that grades are important in helping me to decide how much fun I'm going to have.
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As long as you are pushing yourself, be it physically or mentally, learning new things, and having fun, then you should be proud of yourself. If you're pushing 5.13, cool. If you're pushing 5.8, also cool. You don't need to compare yourself to others. If this is what rtwillie was trying to say, then I agree.
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rtwilli4 wrote: OK I have to get this out. I like reading the posts here. I learn a lot, and am entertained. But I'm tired of reading questions like "how do I do this move" and "what does it take to climb 5.12" or "what am i doing wrong" or "what book will help my footwork." Why why WHY!!! Do people think that THINKING about stuff and talking about it can help. Sure, reading about how to build an anchor or even finger strength may be productive, but why the hell do people think that they can find out how to climb harder numbers by asking questions on here, and more importantly, WHY DO THEY CARE Climbing is supposed to be fun. I say that I lead .11b's but the truth is, I don't really know what I can lead at. It may be 10a's or it may be 12a's. I don't even know the grade of the last 10 or 12 lines I've climbed. I've on sighted a few 11c's, and I think I could do it again but I would only do it if it looked like a fun line. Sure I want to climb 5.12 but I probably will do it without even realizing it. Shit, I may have already done it! I dunno, I'm sorry to ramble... I just wish that everyone could be as carefree and fun loving as me when it comes to climbing. I have the most fun when I climb with n00b's because they don't give a fuck what they are climbing, or how cool their shoes look... they are just happy to be doing it. Lighten up folks... it's sposed to be fun :)
I don't ask questions like that but I've found that analyzing my failures have helped me overcome them, especially when it comes to mental blocks.
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