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r0cker


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What is the perfect car for a climber?


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r0cker wrote:
What is the perfect car for a climber?


The sailboat. What's another word for treasure?


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booty


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To determine the perfect climber's car, we first have to determine who the perfect climber is.


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4x4

SUV or TRUCK depending on if you have family or not.


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Go with the smart car. That seems to be the smart choice !LaughLaugh


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Spidermonkey10 wrote:
booty

Also known as "Junk in the trunk".Laugh


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I like the idea of a honda element, those things have all sorts of sweet options for storage, seating, and car camping. The classic around here is old vw bus, preferably with a pop up camper. I just have a 2wd compact pickup (p.o.s.) which works great- lots of power (v6), good gas milage, and lots of room for gear. not so good for car camping though.


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Don't buy into the image

Older Honda or Toyota sedan, hatch-back or station wagon. Reliable, efficient and affordable.

Trucks (toyotas in particular) are nice for back roads but you'll be better served with something you can stuff 2-4 people + gear in and drive 6 hours on the highway for a long weekend trip.

If your buying new check out the honda fit 36mpg and you can sleep in it. The Toyota yaris is cool too.


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ryanb wrote:
Trucks (toyotas in particular) are nice for back roads but you'll be better served with something you can stuff 2-4 people check + gear in check and drive 6 hours on the highway for a long weekend trip. check

First Generation Toyota 4Runner.
About as good on gas as you'll get with a 4x4, even if you stuff 31" tires under it. Tough as a tank, reliable like you wouldn't believe, you can sleep 2 in the back, or 4 under if someone forgot the tent. I've yet to meet a back road or logging road that it couldn't get down. About as good as a stock truck can be offroad for those hard to access climbs down cutlines.



FWI, This one is lifted mildly (for now, more later) as I do a fair bit of wheeling too.
65L tank typically gets me 600-650km on the highway. My first 4Runner with smaller tires would go 700+km on a tank if you kept it under 100km/h
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the_climber wrote:
65L tank typically gets me 600-650km on the highway. My first 4Runner with smaller tires would go 700+km on a tank if you kept it under 100km/h

What is that in, oh, say, inches?


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Got to buy a european car. A 1.6 old skool station wagon is great. I own a peugeot 405, but a citroen or vauxhall would be great to. About 15 years ago all these brands made reliable (sort of) station wagons which have good mileage are relatively lightweight which is important for taxes in europe and will fit up to 5 people with gear.


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ryanb wrote:
If your buying new check out the honda fit 36mpg and you can sleep in it.

We have a fit, and are selling it to help fund some traveling and stuff. It is a great car for trips though, and you can fit way more gear into it then it looks like you should. http://www.redriverclimbing.com/viewtopic.php?t=10481 if you are interested.

Our trip "car" is an xterra with a 78 scamp trailer. I have decided that the scamp is perfect for road trips, and it is light enough that you could probably pull it with a 4 cylinder subaru if you wanted. Gives you plenty of room to sleep and hang out, and you can leave it setup, while you drive around.



How it looked when we got it:



We stripped it out, and made a platform for a full sized futon mattress.


Just about finished - added some curtains and sheets the other day. Just have to patch up a couple spots where the wood is rotten on the floor.


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j_ung wrote:
the_climber wrote:
65L tank typically gets me 600-650km on the highway. My first 4Runner with smaller tires would go 700+km on a tank if you kept it under 100km/h

What is that in, oh, say, inches?

I believe that would be around 23922047.22 to 27559055.09 inches per 17.2 gallons.


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I can see gutting the sink/stove, but why not keep the fridgie in that camper? I have been thinking about a propane cooler and the things are few and far between and pricey as hell. But if you are out for more than a weekend or short trip, ice sucks. A fridge just seems such a nicer way to keep food cold without having to worry about leaking bags and digging for stuff.

I have a question maybe some people can answer - How long does a 20-lb propane cylinder last on a small camper fridge(like the size in Wes' Scamp, and continual use)?


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All of the appliances were 30 years old, and only the stove sorta worked. Rather then try to fix them, we decided space was more important for now. Might add newer versions back, but even new propane fridges don't always work all that great. And, since a decent amount of our planned trip allows for electric, a small dorm style fridge is an option.


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I've never used a car while I'm actually in the act of climbing. I've hear that you used to be able to belay at Arch Rock from your car, in which case a convertible or sun-roof was a bonus. It was also a bonus if you had a good sound system.

Transportation-wise, if you're like the vast majority of "climbers" in the USA, then you only climb in a gym, in which case a Hummer H2 with a 24" lift, double Yakima roof cases, and a Wern winch is just about right. If you're like me and have to road trip it on fire roads much of the time, then a '98 Buick Le Sabre will cover all of your needs. It's got a big trunk, and plenty of hood space for organizing gear, performing simple medical procedures, and cooking on. And the bench seats are plush.


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I looked for 3 things in buying a car for climbing.

Cost: Both initial cost, gas mileage, and repair costs.

Reliabllity: I don't want to get stranded

Space: It needs to fit all my stuff

I wasn't concerned about the 4wd aspect. This is colorado, almost everyone has a 4wd so if we climb somewhere it is required, they can drive. This accounts for maybe 2 out of 250 climbing days a year though.

So I bought an 87' 2wd Toyota truck complete with lots and lots of rust. The engine however had only 105K on it. I paid about $2000.

It needed $800 in transmission work right off the bat also, so $2800 for a rusty mechanically sound low miles truck.

It's 2wd and gets about 22-25 mpg hwy. It drops fast once off the highway. I'd assume it's around 16 on windy, slow, dirt roads. I could probably squeeze a few more mpg out of it with a good tuneup.

With the camper shell and bed built into it, I can discretely store all my stuff, have a warm, dry, not a tent, place to sleep, and not have to repack my sleeping bag or pad, ever.

I'll get a hitch mounted motorcycle rack any carry my Trail 90 on long road trips, once parked, I won't even need to start the truck once in an area.

The only thing more I could ask would be that the truck was 10-12 years newer and fuel injected. For the price it's hard to complain though.


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One that is free, does not cost to run, can get you where you want to go when you want to go, has enough room for your gear, friends and sleeping, is warm when it is cool, is cool when it is warm, can float on water, does not rust, does not dent, self cleaning and has good features.


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jammer wrote:
One that is free, does not cost to run, can get you where you want to go when you want to go, has enough room for your gear, friends and sleeping, is warm when it is cool, is cool when it is warm, can float on water, does not rust, does not dent, self cleaning and has good features.


I'm guessing you either make your partners drive all the tiem, or are recomending to still borrowing Dad's car for the days you go climbing.


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jammer wrote:
One that is free, does not cost to run, can get you where you want to go when you want to go, has enough room for your gear, friends and sleeping, is warm when it is cool, is cool when it is warm, can float on water, does not rust, does not dent, self cleaning and has good features.


take the bus.


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You guy lost your sense of humor! There is no perfect car.


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Car I would like to have most...
Fuck the 4x4 image- fucking useless.
Station wagon deisel that has back seats that can fold down to form a flat serface big enough to sleep on, then you can open the boot and cook under it.
Woo!


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sungam wrote:
Car I would like to have most...
Fuck the 4x4 image- fucking useless.
Station wagon deisel that has back seats that can fold down to form a flat serface big enough to sleep on, then you can open the boot and cook under it.
Woo!

Yeah, well I can do all that in my 4x4. And, the top comes off in the summer for an open air feel.

Go get your granny wagon haggis-donny.


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r0cker wrote:
What is the perfect car for a climber?
Your parents.

With their gas card.

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