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Paul_Y


Aug 30, 2008, 12:31 PM
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I posted this up on the Non-climbing photo threads but thought I'd post it here because I'm really excited about the technology that lets us shoot at these incredible ISO's. This one, as the title suggests was shot at ISO 12,800. It's noise reminds me of Tri-X film grain when it's pushed to ISO 1,600.

I've included a crop at 100% so you can see the noise. A lot less than I would have expected at this ISO! If your browser doesn't show this at 100%, click on the image.

It was lit by the handheld light, headlamp and flashing car blinker. I had to time the blinks to get a shot.

Up in the sky you can see the moon, and off to the left, a star!

This shot was taken of Jacki Florine as she was tending to her feet during this years Badwater Ultramarathon. The Badwater Marathon is a race that goes 135 miles accross Death Valley in July!



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dlintz


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So what exactly is this new technology? A new camera? Firmware hack? Fess up man!

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Shot with a Nikon D3, but the D300, D700 and now the D90 all are low light cameras. Canon is close behind, but I bet they'll catch up shortly!
Nikon came out with the D3 to get back the photojournalist market, but it turns out that demand for a low light camera was much higher than expected. Nikon opted out of the megapixel race by using fewer but larger pixels and in doing so could keep the noise down and maintain great image quality.


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Just last week Canon announced their 50D which has ISO 100 to 3,200 (extendable to 12,800)


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Try posting this on a marathon site and I bet you'll get way more interesting responses. I'm just using your thread to up my post count. Tongue

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pico23


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I think we were all waiting for this (the end of the MP race).

I always like to note that the D200 at low ISO had the same lines of resolution as a FF 5D, so we know that sensor size has limited factor on total resolving power. But the D200 was fairly useless about ISO 640 because of the 4 channel converter, the other cameras from various brands including Nikon, Sony and Pentax that used that sensor only used 2 channel converters, they were slower in transfering and thus frame rate, but they were better at higher ISO.

However, Nikon deciding to only put 12MP into it's 2007 FF camera was a bold move because most people didn't appreciate it. I still see lots of grumbles on Nikon forums of how a FF 12MP sensor is useless, doesn't give enough resolution for landscapes and portraits and such.

I sort of agree, but what Nikon did was change the industry for good but putting emphasis on more than pixel count. Nikon will eventually put out a higher res D3X or something that challenges Canon 1DsMIII for medium format like qualities, but the D3 has overall been a major success. So much so that Nikon is really taking market share for the first time in a while.

Just as a note Panasonic has now done the same thing with it's Prosumer LX3 compact. It's a bigger sensor, and only 10MP vs the LX2. However, unlike most compacts the LX3 is supposedly got decent high ISO capability. My experience with most compacts is 1-2 stops over the base ISO things go south really fast. So if your shooting ISO 400 you are usually pushing it. The LX3 supposedly can shoot 800 before a dropoff, and includes ISO 1600 and 3200.

Also, the lens on it is a sort of step backwards in terms of zoom ratio, but again, it's an overall improvement. It's a fast f/2.0-2.8 through the 24-60mm zoom range making it the fastest lens on any digital compact.


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I've been looking at the specs of the Canon 5D mk II. Full frame, 21 MPix, ISO range from 100-6400 expandable to 50-25,600.

Sweet looking camera. Price is a bit of a bummer.


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The D3 goes to 25,600, actually it's why the FBI uses D3s.

The 50 expansion is a waste except as a ND filter because you gain no IQ going below the native ISO.

The 5D II should be good, afterall the 5D is over 4 years old. Canon really milked it's monopoly on FF consumer cameras. Competion is good.

Nikon forced Canon to release a 5D II, and Pentax forced Canon to add spot metering, longer life shutters, and some other basic features into it's low and mid priced cameras.

Also, Sony, Oly, and Pentax forced Nikon and Canon to release stabilized kit lenses. Oddly, it makes you wonder though where the L premium on stabilized and stabilized is coming from. I mean if they can make a stabilized kit lens for equal or less then a non stabilized kit lens, does it really cost hundreds more to put stabilization in pro grade glass? Hell no, cats out of the bag!!

Point being competion is good for everyone. Won't be long to Canon and Nikon have to weather seal D70/80/90 level cameras!


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Agreed on the competition part. I'm a Nikon person but I can't help but enjoy when other companies like Canon and Pentax and the likes come out with new and improved stuff over Nikon. It's just gonna force them to try and out due their competition bringing myself and others a better product.

I would love to start seeing image stabilization on more pro glass. Nikon 24-70 f/2.8 VR anyone? I've got their 70-200 f/2.8 VR and it's just an amazing lens.


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chanceboarder wrote:
Agreed on the competition part. I'm a Nikon person but I can't help but enjoy when other companies like Canon and Pentax and the likes come out with new and improved stuff over Nikon. It's just gonna force them to try and out due their competition bringing myself and others a better product.

I would love to start seeing image stabilization on more pro glass. Nikon 24-70 f/2.8 VR anyone? I've got their 70-200 f/2.8 VR and it's just an amazing lens.

Why not put it in the body? Or they can stick to old technology.

Keep in mind that there was no way to reasonably move the film sensor so lens based stabilization came about. But with sensors, there is no need for it.

Sony is releasing a full frame in body stabilized camera so they proved Canon wrong with their ad in PopPhoto a year ago that basically was filled with lies about the advantages of lens vs. body based. Olympus made a CCD/CMOS based VR system with Mode 2 panning.

Sony really suprised me with the FF sensor based though, and I bet Canon too!

In the end only the camera/lens maker wins with lens based which I'm certain is why Nikon and Canon will stick with it!


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Yep, looks pretty sweet, and that price is less then what the 5d was introduced at. I am pretty sure we will spring for 2 of them this winter, unless I decide to get a 1ds mark III and hold onto the 5d for a bit longer. Just have to see if the 1ds prices drop a bit more, or if I can pick up one used cheap from someone who doesn't like the weight.


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