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jollymon
Nov 11, 2008, 6:59 AM
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Okay so I spent my first like hour shooting session in a harness (BD momentum) which at first seemed very comfortable. Like 30 mins in however I'm wondering how much longer my kidneys can take this before they start to shut down. So can I.....
1. Use some sort of padding on the rear waistbelt? If so what and how should I rig it?
2. Should I get a different harness or is any harness uncomfortable on a shooting session?
3. I got a bit thirsty up there, I know water and cameras dont mix....but is there some water device that would suit this purpose?
Thanks!
-Jollymon
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johnwesely
Nov 11, 2008, 12:44 PM
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For the harness get belaying seat. They look like the swing from a swing set. For the hydration get a camelback or similar device.
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chadnsc
Nov 11, 2008, 1:44 PM
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I've been told by many of my friends that the Misty Mountain Cadillac harness is very, very comfortable. I believe the Cadillac is a big wall harness so it has wide, well padded leg loops and waste belt.
Good luck finding the perfect harness.
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scotty1974
Nov 11, 2008, 2:12 PM
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BD Blizzard. Extra padding on the leg loops as it's a winter harness. I think Mountain gear had some on sale a bit ago.
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Valarc
Nov 11, 2008, 2:23 PM
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You could get a crazy bulky big wall harness, or you could get a bosun's chair, which you would use in conjunction with your harness. A bosun's chair is super-comfortable compared to a harness, and I've thought about getting one for those marathon routesetting sessions where I end up hanging in a harness for excessive amounts of time.
For the water issue, as others have said, go with a camelbak hydration pack - if you aren't familiar with these, it's a bag of water in your backpack with a hose that you suck on, very little chance of getting your gear wet.
edit: one of the first links to pop up on a google search for bosun's chair:
http://www.mountaingear.com/...79100/CMP/KNC-979100
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Gmburns2000
Nov 11, 2008, 3:04 PM
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chadnsc wrote: I've been told by many of my friends that the Misty Mountain Cadillac harness is very, very comfortable. I believe the Cadillac is a big wall harness so it has wide, well padded leg loops and waste belt. Good luck finding the perfect harness.
Very comfy harness. They even have a nicer one, too, called the Titan.
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wallmonkey35
Nov 11, 2008, 3:07 PM
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Yet another vote for the Misty Mountain Cadillac!
Sooo comfortable!
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chadnsc
Nov 11, 2008, 3:07 PM
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Ooo, even more comfy? I must look into that one!
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henrikh
Nov 11, 2008, 3:09 PM
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I agree with the belayseat solution. Might keep you happy with one harness.. Cheaper aswell, you could make one yourself.
If you are still in the market for a comfy harness check out the arc r320, which is _very_ comfy for a sport harness. Otherwise go with the cadillac or some gigantic bigwall thing
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Valarc
Nov 11, 2008, 3:28 PM
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Your mileage may vary with the R320 - I hung in one in a local shop and instantly hated it. The thin edge of the harness dug into my skin and it was really painful. It put a lot of pressure on my back and wasn't comfortable at all. I find my metolius safe-tech to be far more comfortable.
I'm also a tubby bastard, so if you're one of those skinny little assholes you might not have the same problems I did. Just be aware that the R320 isn't the be-all, end-all for comfort that it's been made out to be.
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henrikh
Nov 11, 2008, 3:33 PM
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Valarc wrote: Your mileage may vary with the R320 - I hung in one in a local shop and instantly hated it. The thin edge of the harness dug into my skin and it was really painful. It put a lot of pressure on my back and wasn't comfortable at all. I find my metolius safe-tech to be far more comfortable. I'm also a tubby bastard, so if you're one of those skinny little assholes you might not have the same problems I did. Just be aware that the R320 isn't the be-all, end-all for comfort that it's been made out to be.
YMMV, always :D
Im a bit of a tubby bastard myself, but i find it comfy as a couch. or maybe not, but way better than my BD blizzard. Had no problems with the edges
(but the leg loops are small though. damn skiing)
Larger ('wall'ish)harnesses will of course be better, but in a sub 600g sport harness, it is actually the best i´ve tried.
But, YMMV (of course!)
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moondog
Nov 11, 2008, 4:31 PM
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Valarc wrote: you could get a bosun's chair, which you would use in conjunction with your harness. A bosun's chair is super-comfortable compared to a harness
If you're mostly just hanging around (as opposed to climbing around), a rigid bosun's chair is probably the best way to go. Make one on the cheap with wood and cord, or go deluxe:
http://en.petzl.com/petzl/Produit?Produit=403
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suilenroc
Nov 11, 2008, 5:14 PM
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GET A MISTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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wes_allen
Nov 11, 2008, 6:49 PM
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Misty Cadillac is what I use for photos/bolting/etc. Don't like the chairs while photographing though, as they limit my movement too much. Might get one to sit in while waiting for people to climb though.
And, if you can't trust yourself too not spill water on your gear, how can you trust yourself to hold your camera, or rig stuff the right way?
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shimanilami
Nov 11, 2008, 6:57 PM
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You might consider a chest harness or sling to keep your upper body upright. I wear out may abs if all I've got is a harness or seat.
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jollymon
Nov 11, 2008, 7:03 PM
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Yea I am a skinny little asshole ;) oh and Im lovin' it...but times a bitch so I'm sure that will change with age.
That misty looks like the no brainer for me. Great padding and so wide and comfy. I might rig up a seat outta some canvas and wood for xtended sessions. Remaining mobile is great however for getting closeups of those off route climbers.
I am new to climbing photography but will be posting up some of the better pics (I only like 3 outta 450, I need to get better with my angles!)
The camelbak looks perfect and I think one of the models with webbing would do great to clip some draws on and use for tying the camera bag behind while I'm on the move. cinching it into my harness and over a shoulder worked, but I came very close to rolling on it over a small ledge.
One more question here...Anchoring the camera to your back instead of over one hip to the side is better right? How do you do this? I have a smallish bag, but it has lots of clip points.
-Jolly
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Myxomatosis
Nov 11, 2008, 8:26 PM
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I think you really need to get the right size harness for you to start with. Like what has been mentioned, some harness's don't fit chubby guys and some don't fit well to skinny guys.
I found the BD range pinched my nuts as soon as I sat in them and the arc r320 is a full on redpoint harness, not really designed for long hauls.
I have the Corax (new model) and its pretty comfortable, never had any troubles with my kidneys but legs get a little sore sometimes, but I usually have my leg loops loose. I do hang in it quite a bit teaching my n00b's.
As for the Misty Mountian, we have one at our gym we set routes in... its like sitting in a cloud 
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fatoomchk
Nov 12, 2008, 11:51 AM
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I have an R320. and it is all it's cracked up to be. love it.
just make a bosuns chair. plywood, a few meters of 1" sling, some ensolite padding and you are gold!
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JoshCaple
Nov 13, 2008, 4:21 PM
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I normally use the Yates Shield & usually with a Petzl Podium or similar. I also use the Petzl Navaho with the Podium for some jobs but that's more a industrial requirement thing than a functional thing. I also use a chest harness (normal tape one with a bit of custom padding) and a 3L Camelback with some energy bars in the pouch.
Nothing wrong with just using a waterbottle, but put your camera out of the way before drinking obviously.
The biggest thing is to use a seat- it doesn't need to be a fancy one like the Podium, a bit of wood with some 8/9 mm cord & a bot of camping mat foam does the trick very well, as does a skateboard with slings larks footed to the trucks.
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