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angry
Apr 19, 2009, 9:31 PM
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It seems like you signed up for this site with an agenda. Specifically, to warn us all of the dangers of climbing and marijuana use.
Why don't you do a search. This topic has been covered extensively. It's probably second only to "What shoe should I get".
The fact that you're coming on here calling yourself "old trad" then telling people how stupid they are for smoking weed and climbing is laughable at best. It outs your very ignorance on history of climbing, "old trad" for sure.
One last thing to ponder. I don't smoke weed and I haven't for a long time, not only would I pass a UA, you can test my hair. I don't climb stoned and none of my partners do either. So in practice, I'm in complete alignment with your ideas. I still think you're full of shit.
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59old_trad
Apr 19, 2009, 9:34 PM
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Wow. You must be a very good climber to be able to climb stoned! Are you one of the Stone Masters of the 70s? Probably not. You're an idiot!
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rockandlice
Apr 19, 2009, 9:52 PM
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angry wrote: One last thing to ponder. I don't smoke weed and I haven't for a long time, not only would I pass a UA, you can test my hair. I don't climb stoned and none of my partners do either. So in practice, I'm in complete alignment with your ideas. I still think you're full of shit.
59old_trad wrote: Wow. You must be a very good climber to be able to climb stoned! Are you one of the Stone Masters of the 70s? Probably not. You're an idiot!
LOL, he's the idiot? He said IN AN ENTIRE PARAGRAPH that he does not do it personally.
See ya later Johnny.
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areyoumydude
Apr 19, 2009, 10:05 PM
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59old_trad wrote: Wow. You must be a very good climber to be able to climb stoned! Are you one of the Stone Masters of the 70s? Probably not. You're an idiot!
What's with all the hate bro? That really hurt my feelings.
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areyoumydude
Apr 19, 2009, 10:10 PM
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areyoumydude wrote: Uh the first one day ascent of the nose was drug induced. The abcd scale was hatched during an acid trip in the valley. I and many others have drank and smoked their way up El Cap. Kinda like a vertical raft trip.
59old_trad wrote: Wow. You must be a very good climber to be able to climb stoned! Are you one of the Stone Masters of the 70s? Probably not. You're an idiot!
But I do know how to use the quote cliky. Really it's not that hard.
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moose_droppings
Apr 19, 2009, 10:37 PM
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rockandlice wrote: angry wrote: One last thing to ponder. I don't smoke weed and I haven't for a long time, not only would I pass a UA, you can test my hair. I don't climb stoned and none of my partners do either. So in practice, I'm in complete alignment with your ideas. I still think you're full of shit. 59old_trad wrote: Wow. You must be a very good climber to be able to climb stoned! Are you one of the Stone Masters of the 70s? Probably not. You're an idiot! LOL, he's the idiot? He said IN AN ENTIRE PARAGRAPH that he does not do it personally. See ya later Johnny.
R&I
If you look at his post, he was responding to areyoumydude's post, not angry's.
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bill413
Apr 19, 2009, 10:59 PM
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59old_trad wrote: Maybe the can climb a full grade harder, but they may also die off sooner.
And your point is?
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rockandlice
Apr 19, 2009, 11:53 PM
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moose_droppings wrote: R&I If you look at his post, he was responding to areyoumydude's post, not angry's.
Yeah, saw areyoumy's reply afterwards.
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notapplicable
Apr 20, 2009, 12:38 AM
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angry wrote: rasoy wrote: The real factor of why this event happened was due to a very inexperienced member of their party. He had no clue of what to do after he made several terrible mistakes. Several small mistakes and you end up benighted and a bit uncomfortable. It also makes the buffet taste pretty good when you finally finish. Several terrible mistakes and someone dies.
Yeah I'd be curious to know what prevented them (once sober) from getting themselves down the next morning.
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billcoe_
Apr 20, 2009, 1:33 AM
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areyoumydude wrote: areyoumydude wrote: Uh the first one day ascent of the nose was drug induced. The abcd scale was hatched during an acid trip in the valley. I and many others have drank and smoked their way up El Cap. Kinda like a vertical raft trip. 59old_trad wrote: Wow. You must be a very good climber to be able to climb stoned! Are you one of the Stone Masters of the 70s? Probably not. You're an idiot! But I do know how to use the quote cliky. Really it's not that hard.
Yeah, step away from the bong, it's not that hard dude.
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quiteatingmysteak
Apr 20, 2009, 2:00 AM
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The e-thugs are on full alert, code: Brown
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zeke_sf
Apr 20, 2009, 2:23 AM
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rockandlice wrote: angry wrote: One last thing to ponder. I don't smoke weed and I haven't for a long time, not only would I pass a UA, you can test my hair. I don't climb stoned and none of my partners do either. So in practice, I'm in complete alignment with your ideas. I still think you're full of shit. 59old_trad wrote: Wow. You must be a very good climber to be able to climb stoned! Are you one of the Stone Masters of the 70s? Probably not. You're an idiot! LOL, he's the idiot? He said IN AN ENTIRE PARAGRAPH that he does not do it personally. See ya later Johnny.
Reading comprehension is a rare commodity, it seems.
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MikeSaint
Apr 20, 2009, 2:47 AM
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Yep. Them fellas a page or so back are definetly liberals.
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irregularpanda
Apr 20, 2009, 3:08 AM
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MikeSaint wrote: Yep. Them fellas a page or so back are definetly liberals.
At least those hippies can spell definitely.
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majid_sabet
Apr 20, 2009, 3:27 AM
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you need to try harder dude and stop crying like pu**ie
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shimanilami
Apr 20, 2009, 5:44 PM
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59old_trad wrote: It's strange how stupid climbers get themselves into bad situations. I wonder if being under the influence has anything to do with it? Sort of similar to getting into a car when you already have one too many.
I don't have the statistics (Majid might) but I'd bet that >90% of climbers who get themselves into bad situations are entirely sober. And judging by the comments in this thread, far more than 10% of climbers climb stoned. Applying simple logic, one reaches the conclusion that it is more stupid to climb sober than stoned (a conclusion that I reached myself many years ago).
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majid_sabet
Apr 20, 2009, 5:50 PM
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shimanilami wrote: 59old_trad wrote: It's strange how stupid climbers get themselves into bad situations. I wonder if being under the influence has anything to do with it? Sort of similar to getting into a car when you already have one too many. 59old_troll - I don't have the statistics (Majid might) but I'd bet that >90% of climbers who get themselves into bad situations are entirely sober. And judging by the comments in this thread, far more than 10% of climbers climb stoned. Applying simple logic, one reaches the conclusion that it is more stupid to climb sober than stoned (a conclusion that I reached myself many years ago).
THERE WE GO BOYS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyyE7RoGRsc
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Johnny_Fang
Apr 20, 2009, 6:38 PM
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Risk is a funny thing to calculate.
Cigarette smokers figure that smoking won't kill them, because none of the cigarettes they smoked so far have killed them.
But risk compounds upon itself in funny ways.
All of us have some risk of an epic failure on any climbing trip. If you're a fucking idiot, your risk is higher than if you're clever minded. If you're a beginner, your risk is higher than if you're well-experienced. If you're unprepared, your risk is higher than if you are prepared. If you take mind-altering substances that change your ability to reason, your risk is higher than if you are sober.
But risks are funny because they aren't generally cumulative, in fact they tend to be interactive and compound on themselves. The entirety of any calculation of "risk" tends to be greater than the sum of its parts, even multiplicative.
Inexperienced, beginner, unprepared fucking idiots should not be compounding their risk by getting high before climbing.
However, experienced, prepared, clever climbers also increase their risk by altering their thinking ability with drugs before climbing. They don't increase their risk as much as the group above, puff for puff.
However, to deny that you increase their risk by taking substances is to be suddenly placing yourself in the "fucking idiot" category and increasing your own risk dramatically... you fucking idiot.
Is there an historical record of climbers that have gotten high, climbed, and survived? You bet. But just remember that last cigarette that didn't kill you and don't fall prey to a simple thinking error.
Climbing is all about calculated risk. It's when we confuse what is and isn't a risk that we mess up.
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shockabuku
Apr 20, 2009, 6:44 PM
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rockandlice wrote: moose_droppings wrote: R&I If you look at his post, he was responding to areyoumydude's post, not angry's. Yeah, saw areyoumy's reply afterwards.
That must'a hurt.
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shimanilami
Apr 20, 2009, 6:46 PM
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Damn, dude. Why you bummin' my high? Don't you know what day it is?
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rockandlice
Apr 20, 2009, 6:54 PM
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shockabuku wrote: rockandlice wrote: moose_droppings wrote: R&I If you look at his post, he was responding to areyoumydude's post, not angry's. Yeah, saw areyoumy's reply afterwards. That must'a hurt.
Haha, a little. I left it for humor at my expense even though I caught it before the quote. 
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dingus
Apr 20, 2009, 6:55 PM
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darkgift06 wrote: I hope it was a large charge for there rescue.
Wishing ill on fellow climbers will produce karmic unplanned bivi.
You earned it. Enjoy your shivering.
DMT
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dingus
Apr 20, 2009, 6:56 PM
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Thanh wrote: I guess people have forgotten or never learned the teaching of John Muir.
What did Muir have to say about smoking pot before rock climbing, I'm curious? I must have missed that chapter?
DMT
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dingus
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crazy_fingers84 wrote: [image]http://outdoors-adventures.org/images/dumb%20asses_0409_0048.jpg[/image]
That's a hoot. Nice troll then, to the OP.
DMT
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