i) Doesn't her post say that she would take her child on a camping trip?

ii) I thought I'd save her some time since she seems like cool people (and I already asked that, but her answer is now buried in the middle of the thread):

Thanks I didn’t see that post. She had some good thoughts on it though.

I saw that she would already take her 3.5 year old camping. I was wondering what the youngest age she would take a child camping was.

I think the "rock throwing" got a little out of hand...maybe it's a slow news day here on rc.

Nobody in their right mind thinks it's okay to be throwing rocks where the chance to hit someone from above (or pelt them on the side from a short distance) is okay.

The kids in this instance are like 4 years old! Do you think any rock they have picked up is:
- bigger than a quarter?
- able to be put a distance greater than 3 feet?
- that if the kids were throwing that AT a human, or on the edge of a cliff, a climber mom wouldn't be on it?

The thing is, with kids(from what I understand) - you can't sweat the small stuff. If you had to tell a kid "no" for every possible transgression they were making throughout a day, you might as well just tape a loop of "No's!" and let it play continuously.

The "rocks are okay!" posts are generally made either in jest or else with a perspective in mind(ie; dude trundles football size rock off top of cliff in Wind River - BAD, 3 year old overhands a chunk of dirt that has a few pebbles in it 3 feet(tops) and shin level - KID who will be a kid.

For something funny, check out this illustrated film from Jeremy Collins/Timmy O'Neill "A Brief Biased History of Big Wall Climbing" Link: http://www.timmyoneill.com/video/HistBWclimb.html


On an aside - OP has logged in and not posted to his little masterpiece since his last one. Guess he's just sitting back and laughing at the train wreck. Or sobered up and realized what an ass he came off as. Or is busily pecking away at the Mother Of ALL Replies.... Or something

Hmmm,
Cute kids with HOT moms. Has anyone else noticed how HOT they look? I vote for the MOMS!
You come off as a unused tool that craves attention. Wow "Sending some sick 5.9s?" Is there such a thing? What a NOOB!

I’m a craptastic parent who’s kids are trying to make the FBI watch list before they hit 10 yrs old. Not really, I just didn’t want to start another one of the “my kids are good” subject (even though they are).

I wanted to take Dingus’ point and go one further…

Those moms were demonstrating some awesome parenting. Who cares if they annoy anyone else? Pull that stick out of your ass and relax. Let ‘em scream. Let them cry. Let them throw all the rocks they want. Oohhhh. They might ruin your experience. So? Grow a bigger set of ear plugs. Don’t worry about those kids getting hurt. Unless you are some tightly wound numnuts member of a rescue squad, let ‘em get hurt. Let them throw that rock at each other. Who cares?

The OP troll was projecting his expectations of how a parent should act onto others. Probably even projecting how his parents treated him and called that “right” and now wants everyone else should behave in that manner. Get over it. If that had been a bunch of 21 year olds with beer, screamin’, yellin’, throwin rocks at each other and passing beer back and forth while their hottie girlfriends climbed, the OP would have strolled over to see what all the fun was about. The OP shoulda done the same with the kids. Who know, he might have gotten cookies and a bj.

Same with a restaurant: Let the kids scream, let them wander all over. If you also got out of your tightly would “I must be repressed” mindset you would see that life is much better if you look to join the fun instead of hearing the noise.

Well, hopefully those ears are deft enough to avoid any rocks that might be thrown their way by a delinquent in the making 3 year old!

Let me dissuade some of the controversy.
I don't hate children.
I respect members of society who feel the need to fire out a kid to keep the species going, and i'm positive that there are many great parents out there who can produce the next sharma. Someone has to.
My complaint is not with the kids. They are not able to distinguish correct and incorrect behavior. My grievance is with the parents who expose their children to needless risk, and to the parents who foster needless risk and general annoyance on other climbers by bringing their unsupervised rabble to the crag. If I decided to bring a full marching band to help me send, provided they weren't chucking rocks or acting irresponsibly, that's cool right?
By the way, I send best to sousa marches.
2 parents + 1 'responsible' kid + one secluded area = ok. Divert from that formula, and there is issues. When you find it necessary to bring a tent, several mini firetrucks, and the other accouterments, it becomes not ok.

I truly wish I had the time and patience to read all twelve pages of this thread. I am positive, however, that the discussion is a civil one going in constructive directions and I encourage everybody to keep up the good work!

So if the child had just quietly "sended" a nice 5.5 with no hoop-la and then waited patiently while the parental units did there thing then we wouldn't have ever had this thread?

Aside from scoring a cookie and a bj from a hot sendstress, I don't really relate to anything you've written.
Let your kids run rampant in restaurants and other areas?
Whatever happened to the old 'seen and not heard rule?'
Stand by and watch as a child is injured?
Seriously? Should I stand by and watch as the mother buckles in the 30 pack of the beer, but not the kid? Or call the police? The only reason that I didn't move to stop the kid from falling was that I was 3 bolts up, and in a rather inconvenient position to do so.
Your logic is flawed.

Whatever happened to the old 'seen and not heard rule?'

Your social responsibilities comes not from being an additional “adult” in the situation, but another equal person in the group.

The only problem with this theory is, as an "adult" you're not allowed to throw the rocks back at the kids.
That would give them the opportunity to quickly, effectively and personally experience the consequences of their actions.

Option A: Hit the MILF on the tush with a small rock. Point at kid when she turns around. Repete. Caution, if you get caught, you might get spanked.

Option B: Hit kid 1 with a small rock, point at kid 2. Hit kid 2 with small rock, point at kid 1. Hilarity ensues.

Let me dissuade some of the controversy.
I don't hate children.
I respect members of society who feel the need to fire out a kid to keep the species going, and i'm positive that there are many great parents out there who can produce the next sharma. Someone has to.
My complaint is not with the kids. They are not able to distinguish correct and incorrect behavior. My grievance is with the parents who expose their children to needless risk, and to the parents who foster needless risk and general annoyance on other climbers by bringing their unsupervised rabble to the crag. If I decided to bring a full marching band to help me send, provided they weren't chucking rocks or acting irresponsibly, that's cool right?
By the way, I send best to sousa marches.
2 parents + 1 'responsible' kid + one secluded area = ok. Divert from that formula, and there is issues. When you find it necessary to bring a tent, several mini firetrucks, and the other accouterments, it becomes not ok.

Let me dissuade some of the controversy.
I don't hate children.
I respect members of society who feel the need to fire out a kid to keep the species going, and i'm positive that there are many great parents out there who can produce the next sharma. Someone has to.
My complaint is not with the kids. They are not able to distinguish correct and incorrect behavior. My grievance is with the parents who expose their children to needless risk, and to the parents who foster needless risk and general annoyance on other climbers by bringing their unsupervised rabble to the crag. If I decided to bring a full marching band to help me send, provided they weren't chucking rocks or acting irresponsibly, that's cool right?
By the way, I send best to sousa marches.
2 parents + 1 'responsible' kid + one secluded area = ok. Divert from that formula, and there is issues. When you find it necessary to bring a tent, several mini firetrucks, and the other accouterments, it becomes not ok.

And creating a potentially unsafe environment for other climbers is what you call true success? Parenting FAIL.

This is the exact type of of uncompromising inconsiderate crap that, pardon the pun, breeds conflict in these situations. It's the opposite side of the ridiculous coin the OP flipped ten pages back.

You know I luvs ya, R (friend way), but go "raise" yourself.

That said, I fear that some of the points are falling on deft ears.

Do three year olds have the sense to yell 'rock' after they throw their rock over the edge? What sound does a falling rock make when it does not strike anything on it's flight?

the truest fullness of your humanity, the only true measure of success, is in raising children. all else is gloss

to not parent, the individual arguably denies his or herself the fullness of thier humanity. Also, they arrest their own development at some level between adolecence and adulthood. they never really have to do that last little bit of growing up, since, their lives still get to be pretty much all about them.

And for the curious, here's a short list of a few of those kind of people

Mother Teresa
George Washington
Immanuel Kant
Jesus Christ
Joan of Arc
Florence Nightingale
Susan B. Anthony
Julia Child
Rosa Parks
the Dalai Lama
Georgia O'Keefe
Amelia Earhart
Harriet Tubman
Emily Dickinson