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joshy8200
Aug 26, 2009, 6:00 PM
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I had to buy a new ATC-Guide recently. I didn't notice (bought it off the internet) that the coating wasn't like the former smooth anodized coating. It has kind of a...rough if you will feel to it.
Anyone have any comments/experience on why there's a difference in the coatings of the ATC-Guide?
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shrug7
Aug 26, 2009, 6:55 PM
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It's textured for your pleasure.
And former as in a regular ATC?
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climbncookie
Aug 26, 2009, 10:56 PM
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Bought a brand new one from mec the other day, it has a gray rough texture on the outside. Not the same smooth anodized that is on the regular ATC
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vegastradguy
Aug 26, 2009, 11:17 PM
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climbncookie wrote: Bought a brand new one from mec the other day, it has a gray rough texture on the outside. Not the same smooth anodized that is on the regular ATC
im betting that the manufacturing process is partially responsible for this, and/or its purely an aesthetic choice by BD.
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shimanilami
Aug 26, 2009, 11:27 PM
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Dude, it's designed for guides, who are more hardcore and less image-conscious than the average climber, and generally too gnarly to pay attention to such trivia.
Obviously, you are not a guide.
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coolcat83
Aug 27, 2009, 12:07 AM
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That's how mine is and I've had it for a few years, I'm guessing it's due to the manufacturing that needs to take place vs an atc xp or regular. also i remember something bd released about there being cosmetic issues with the finish on the early batches that it looked like cracking but it was cosmetic, mine's all scratched and beat up by now but where the rope has worn it's smooth it's shiny and uniform as it should be, it looks like they did a fine bead blast (most likely) or chemically pitted it before anodizing or coating.
(This post was edited by coolcat83 on Aug 27, 2009, 12:15 AM)
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joshy8200
Aug 27, 2009, 4:50 PM
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coolcat83 wrote: That's how mine is and I've had it for a few years, I'm guessing it's due to the manufacturing that needs to take place vs an atc xp or regular. also i remember something bd released about there being cosmetic issues with the finish on the early batches that it looked like cracking but it was cosmetic, mine's all scratched and beat up by now but where the rope has worn it's smooth it's shiny and uniform as it should be, it looks like they did a fine bead blast (most likely) or chemically pitted it before anodizing or coating.
Thanks, that's really useful information. My main 'issue' is that it seems like the new coating adds friction. The few times I've used it so far, it just seems a bit 'different' friction wise. Nothing grossly significant...but certainly noticeable.
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coolcat83
Aug 27, 2009, 5:26 PM
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joshy8200 wrote: coolcat83 wrote: That's how mine is and I've had it for a few years, I'm guessing it's due to the manufacturing that needs to take place vs an atc xp or regular. also i remember something bd released about there being cosmetic issues with the finish on the early batches that it looked like cracking but it was cosmetic, mine's all scratched and beat up by now but where the rope has worn it's smooth it's shiny and uniform as it should be, it looks like they did a fine bead blast (most likely) or chemically pitted it before anodizing or coating. Thanks, that's really useful information. My main 'issue' is that it seems like the new coating adds friction. The few times I've used it so far, it just seems a bit 'different' friction wise. Nothing grossly significant...but certainly noticeable.
Mine started out a little sticky also especially on larger diameter fuzzed out ropes but now it's smoother than anything else I've used on my 10.2 lead rope, and I've used it on up to 10.5's and stiff statics and it's been fine. Just use the break in as an excuse to climb more
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kennoyce
Aug 27, 2009, 5:42 PM
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In reply to: Thanks, that's really useful information. My main 'issue' is that it seems like the new coating adds friction. The few times I've used it so far, it just seems a bit 'different' friction wise. Nothing grossly significant...but certainly noticeable.
Yeah, I don't like the added friction of the ATC-Guide, I only ever use mine for miltipitch climbing where I want the guide mode. For regular cragging and rapping, I just use my normal ATC.
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dan2see
Aug 27, 2009, 6:23 PM
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The "Guide" is not coated. That's real metal you see there.
This summer I've been sharing ropes with other climbers and clubs, so the differences in rope friction really shows up.
For fatter ropes (fatter than my own 10.2) and especially for fuzzy ropes, the Guide will stick. So I use my Trango Pyramid for them.
On the other hand, we sometimes rap on skinny static cord, and the Guide will slide. So I use my old SMC figure-8 rappeller.
Recently I've been on climbs where the leader belays two followers. The Guide was designed for this. This seems to work really well with "Twin" ropes.
I like the way the manufactures keep inventing newer, better gadgets, although sometimes you gotta wonder. But you gotta be practical, and it's nice having a variety of gadgets to choose from.
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ckirkwood9
Aug 27, 2009, 6:26 PM
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The original one i bought was gold/anodized... worked beautifully.
I got a 2nd one (old style) with a harness package deal (harness/belay device/chalk bag) that was gray, like you mentioned, and the surface def has more friction. Thicker guage ropes, or older fuzzy ropes do not slide as well through the device like they do with the anodized version. I'm wondering if the gray device is less costly to manufacture then the anodized version (potential reason for including it in a package deal)
My friend has a rev-2 version (with 'teeth' on the break bar) is gray... also more friction than the anodized.
the rev3 is anodized.
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shoo
Aug 27, 2009, 6:34 PM
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That is not an ATC-Guide. That is an ATC. The one with the teeth is an ATC-XP. They are different devices.
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