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6fthook


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Just got a 60m 10.4 Sterling rope.

I'm thinking of getting a top loading rope back and just stuffing the rope in so it pays out easily when it's time to be used. In the fire service this is how we keep the rope, and it comes out flawlessly.

I'm checking to see if there is anything bad with this in regards to climbing, and since it's dynamic rope (not sure if that makes a difference).

Thanks!


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what are you using it for? if you're rappelling, then that will work fine, if you're climbing, that's going to be a pain in the butt. I think the best rope bags are the metolious ones that have a tarp that you just flake the rope onto and then roll it up, once you're at your climb, unroll it and you're ready to go.


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For climbing. I don't think it'd be that much of a pain for climbing because one end will be at the very top of the bag so I could just pull it out...but I could be wrong since I don't have much experience.

So as far as the rope, it's not doing it any harm by coiling it like that into the bag right?


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no harm done by this.

i don't usually bother with a rope tarp or bag though, but most places i climb i am not laying my rope in dirt anyway. (usually can find a flat boulder to flake on, or will be on multipitch). My climbing partners all use rope tarps though, and it seems convenient for cragging.


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Problem with top loading bag is it makes it hard to access both ends of the rope. If you plan on do some lead climbing with a novice belayer, I will often tie them into the other end of the rope before I leave the ground, a lot easier with a coiled or flaked rope on a tarp.


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I use a rope tarp, a friend of mine uses a bag. We're both willing to lead with the rope running directly from how it was stowed. If it's been in there for a long while, or been thrown around a lot, I'll reflake it, but generally it's not necessary.

One caveat: make sure "the system is closed" in some way. That means that you tie the unused end of the rope to the bag, to yourself, or in a good sized stopper knot so you can't let the end slip through your belay device & drop the climber.


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I use the BD super slacker and I like it because it kind of works as both. I carry it to the top of the climb, set up my anchors then open one end of the bag (it has a draw string on each end so you could open both) Take out an end of the rope and pull it through the anchor then drop the bag and the rope just coils out like your talking about then I rappel to the bottom and undo the bag and it folds out like a tarp. I don't know if I explained it good enough but if you don't understand my post I'll try to take a pic or something to show you. Hope that helps.


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For single pitch I use a rope bag with an attached tarp (Metolius). Having the tarp really helps keep the rope off the dirt and clean. I would have to imagine that trying to stuff the rope into a bag as you're belaying would be a little inconvenient. It also has loops to tie the ends to so they don't get lost in the tangle and occasionally the tarp is nice to stand on. Also, I don't have to worry about the rope tangling on my other gear in the pack. I imagine you would have to pack your gear carefully to allow access to the other things you need if you feed your rope from your pack. Sounds like a PITA.

For multipitch I don't like to take along stuff I don't need so I just butterfly coil it.


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A backpack is a great way to store your rope and haul it to the climb and back. When you get back home just hang it up on the wall out of harms way. I like the cheap little nylon packs that wad up into a tiny ball and weigh nothing. The rope in the small pack fits into my main pack with the rack, lunch and water. Take about four foot of the end going in first and put a 8 knot in it and let it run out of the pack, then flake the rope into the pack. Put an overhand on a bight in the last end going in and clip a biner thru it and clip the first end to it too. Now you got both ends if needed and already got the end knotted as Bill said which is a must if your roped soloing or belaying a partner up a long pitch so the end doesn't come thru your device. The rope stills feeds out nicely.

Taking the rope pack with you up on the climb depends.


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I will second the black diamond super slacker. It works good.


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when i was new i bought a rope bag, cause they told me that you could hang it from the anchor and flake the rope into the bucket/bag at the same time... i then of course NEVER used it.

Trust me, save money, save weight, save time, save trouble when not flopping leads (if you lead every pitch, the rope will be flaked backwards) and don't buy a bag!


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I second the metolious bag...I have one and love it.


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The metolius bag is bar none the best for cragging. Leave it home for multi-pitch as previously mentioned.


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bag 100% its real real dusty/dirty here at Skaha


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Bag or not, it's important to know how to coil the rope correctly. I've climbed with a number of people who use rope bags and their coils look like a bowl of spaghetti.

I've never used a rope bag and my coils are the sh*t. It also leaves for easy flaking when you're ready to climb. Plus you look more badass in my opinion...


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psecody wrote:
I use the BD super slacker and I like it because it kind of works as both. I carry it to the top of the climb, set up my anchors then open one end of the bag (it has a draw string on each end so you could open both) Take out an end of the rope and pull it through the anchor then drop the bag and the rope just coils out like your talking about then I rappel to the bottom and undo the bag and it folds out like a tarp. I don't know if I explained it good enough but if you don't understand my post I'll try to take a pic or something to show you. Hope that helps.

I second this.


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never saw the need for a rope bag, but many people seem to like them. just seems like one more bag to lug around. a little dirt isn't gonna kill ya.


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saltydog wrote:
a little dirt isn't gonna kill ya.

oh yez it will! sand cutzing the fiberz! ur gonna die!


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uni_jim wrote:
saltydog wrote:
a little dirt isn't gonna kill ya.

oh yez it will! sand cutzing the fiberz! ur gonna die!

Yup. Dead man walking.


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evanwish wrote:
... if you lead every pitch, the rope will be flaked backwards ....
This can be avoided with a rope bag with draw cords on both sides and a full length zipper down one side (i.e., the super slacker). It is not as complicated as it sounds ...

* lead to the anchor;
* zip the bag around the rope that goes down to the second;
* draw tight the cord nearest the anchor;
* flip the bag over and hang it so the open end is up;
* flake into the bag while bringing up the second;
* draw tight the cord on top;
* flip bag over and open the end now on top;
* get on with the next lead.

I've done it when a partner was keen on it - works slick. However, you need two such bags to employ it at every belay on multi-pitch. I did not adopt if for myself.

Bill L


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I carry ropes in the Sherrill bag in the center of this photo...

http://fishcrow.com/gallery11.jpg

I love this bag, which easily holds 200 ft. of 7/16 inch rope. The rope feeds out very nicely, and I have never had a problem with tangling. I use it for tree climbing with a single rope.


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billl7 wrote:
evanwish wrote:
... if you lead every pitch, the rope will be flaked backwards ....
This can be avoided with a rope bag with draw cords on both sides and a full length zipper down one side (i.e., the super slacker). It is not as complicated as it sounds ...

* lead to the anchor;
* zip the bag around the rope that goes down to the second;
* draw tight the cord nearest the anchor;
* flip the bag over and hang it so the open end is up;
* flake into the bag while bringing up the second;
* draw tight the cord on top;
* flip bag over and open the end now on top;
* get on with the next lead.

I've done it when a partner was keen on it - works slick. However, you need two such bags to employ it at every belay on multi-pitch. I did not adopt if for myself.

Bill L

oh good call! yeah that would work.


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evanwish wrote:
billl7 wrote:
evanwish wrote:
... if you lead every pitch, the rope will be flaked backwards ....
This can be avoided with a rope bag with draw cords on both sides and a full length zipper down one side (i.e., the super slacker). It is not as complicated as it sounds ...

* lead to the anchor;
* zip the bag around the rope that goes down to the second;
* draw tight the cord nearest the anchor;
* flip the bag over and hang it so the open end is up;
* flake into the bag while bringing up the second;
* draw tight the cord on top;
* flip bag over and open the end now on top;
* get on with the next lead.

I've done it when a partner was keen on it - works slick. However, you need two such bags to employ it at every belay on multi-pitch. I did not adopt if for myself.

Bill L

oh good call! yeah that would work.

Seems like a big hassle.

Ropebag is nice for single pitch/cragging. Butterfly coil for multipitch, or if there's only going to be one small pack between the two climbers; one carries the pack, other has the rope backpack.


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Never had a rope bag, just another piece of crap to carry. As to dirt, keep it out of the dirt the best you can. If you climb a lot, you will wear it out long before the micro fiber crap happens. Butter fly works well and means less to carry. Use a rope bucket for aid whether with a partner or not, helps with rope management. If the rope needs to be in the dirt throw down you shirt or jacket first, you a dirt bag climber right. Best to keep it away from the sun, acid and other chemicals, and etc. etc. Like my Climb Moab or BD Stubby to throw it in when hiking in to climbs or traveling, plus they take the rest of the gear and food and water and...


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Most friends just tie the ends of the rope to the attachments on the tarp and then just roll and stuff the somewhat flaked rope. I am a little more particular...I tie one end to the tarp and coil 1/2 of the rope onto half the tarp, rolling it up to the center of the tarp. Then I do the same with the other side. Once both halves are rolled, I flip it into sections and fit in the bag. Only takes about 5+ minutes and the rope is perfect.

The rope bag gets heavy though so if there is any approach I use a 1/4 piece of tarp. Weighs a few ounces and stuffs in the pack.

When I travel with a rope I pay the rope out in the bag just like your describing. No issues and comes out with no kinks. Plus you don't have the extra weight of the rope bag.

The key is tie both end of the rope together. It will never tie itself in knots, just bights that you can shake out.

All that being said, I have 2 rope bags I almost never use except for roadside cragging. Either use the 1/4 tarp or flake out on a backpack or rock when possible.


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