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Lazlo
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Best alpine four-season tent? (1.5 person) I'm talking century winds foot of snow overnight easy to set up quick to set up light...but would rather error on the durable side. I like the marmot citadel (3 person) and almost like the Trango 2 (two person). The upside of the marmot is that it's easy to set up and is bomb-proof.
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irregularpanda
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Lazlo wrote: Best alpine four-season tent? (1.5 person) I'm talking century winds foot of snow overnight easy to set up quick to set up light...but would rather error on the durable side. I like the marmot citadel (3 person) and almost like the Trango 2 (two person). The upside of the marmot is that it's easy to set up and is bomb-proof. Neither of those. Bibler is great, but Hilleberg puts them all to shame.
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irregularpanda wrote: Lazlo wrote: Best alpine four-season tent? (1.5 person) I'm talking century winds foot of snow overnight easy to set up quick to set up light...but would rather error on the durable side. I like the marmot citadel (3 person) and almost like the Trango 2 (two person). The upside of the marmot is that it's easy to set up and is bomb-proof. Neither of those. Bibler is great, but Hilleberg puts them all to shame. +1 for Hilleberg, can't go wrong with a legend. Mac Pac Also has some really nice offerings (this is what I use) but they are hard to find.
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skiclimb
Sep 18, 2009, 3:41 PM
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Stephensons. Warmlite series. Bombproof and ridiculously light. Hilleberg comaparble 3 person weighs about double the Stephensons. Jack still runs the company (with his son) and is an interesting opinionated guy to talk to if you call and get him ..But makes the lightest ( BY FAR) strongest best damn 4season tents on the planet. http://www.trailspace.com/...lite-3r/review/7082/
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Sep 18, 2009, 4:18 PM
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skiclimb wrote: Stephensons. Warmlite series. Bombproof and ridiculously light. Hilleberg comaparble 3 person weighs about double the Stephensons. Jack still runs the company (with his son) and is an interesting opinionated guy to talk to if you call and get him ..But makes the lightest ( BY FAR) strongest best damn 4season tents on the planet. http://www.trailspace.com/...lite-3r/review/7082/ They also have the best sleeping bag models/photos!
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irregularpanda
Sep 19, 2009, 9:16 AM
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skiclimb wrote: Hilleberg comaparble 3 person weighs about double the Stephensons. Depends on which hilleberg you get...... just so you know.
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Lazlo
Sep 19, 2009, 2:01 PM
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sungam wrote: gmggg wrote: skiclimb wrote: Stephensons. Warmlite series. Bombproof and ridiculously light. Hilleberg comaparble 3 person weighs about double the Stephensons. Jack still runs the company (with his son) and is an interesting opinionated guy to talk to if you call and get him ..But makes the lightest ( BY FAR) strongest best damn 4season tents on the planet. http://www.trailspace.com/...lite-3r/review/7082/ They also have the best sleeping bag models/photos! !!!! wowow wooweee! http://www.warmlite.com/images/erica_hi.jpg Good think you let me know what that link went to before I opened it infront of my family! Just kidding...but warning is good.
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Yeah, thanks. I added a NSFW tag. Wasn't thinking.
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skiclimb
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irregularpanda wrote: skiclimb wrote: Hilleberg comaparble 3 person weighs about double the Stephensons. Depends on which hilleberg you get...... just so you know. Not as far as I can tell. Hills lightesz 2 person 4lb 3oz ..very good 3 person 4lbs 10 oz Stephs lightest 2person 4 season 2lbs 2oz INSANE 3 person 3lbs 1 oz still insane
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skiclimb wrote: irregularpanda wrote: skiclimb wrote: Hilleberg comaparble 3 person weighs about double the Stephensons. Depends on which hilleberg you get...... just so you know. Not as far as I can tell. Hills lightesz 2 person 4lb 3oz ..very good 3 person 4lbs 10 oz Stephs lightest 2person 4 season 2lbs 2oz INSANE 3 person 3lbs 1 oz still insane Not to talk shit or anything, but when it's in your pack, do you actually notice the difference between 4lbs 10 oz and 3 lbs 1 oz? The only time I really know the difference is when I'm packing beer or maybe cinder blocks...and if I really care about weight I just bring less shit (bivy instead of tent, no sleeping bag, light rack).
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skiclimb
Sep 19, 2009, 5:13 PM
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irregularpanda wrote: skiclimb wrote: irregularpanda wrote: skiclimb wrote: Hilleberg comaparble 3 person weighs about double the Stephensons. Depends on which hilleberg you get...... just so you know. Not as far as I can tell. Hills lightesz 2 person 4lb 3oz ..very good 3 person 4lbs 10 oz Stephs lightest 2person 4 season 2lbs 2oz INSANE 3 person 3lbs 1 oz still insane Not to talk shit or anything, but when it's in your pack, do you actually notice the difference between 4lbs 10 oz and 3 lbs 1 oz? The only time I really know the difference is when I'm packing beer or maybe cinder blocks...and if I really care about weight I just bring less shit (bivy instead of tent, no sleeping bag, light rack). This is the alpine thread forum..Isn't it? A pound here..half pound there and pretty soon your talking real weight and bulk. Can make a huge difference in speed and comfort. Hard to beat the enjoyment of doing a 3 day trip carrying less than 20lbs including rope and gear. Yet still be able to handle some pretty nasty conditions if they occur.
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hilliebergs are nice if your moving every night but when basecamping the wind can change and hit there broad side. ive seen 3 poles break on hilliebergs in this way. the trango 2 is alright for a inexspensive option, havent used it but just from the looks of them i would rather have the sd streach trios 2 then the trango. much stiffer same geniral design. again ive seen a handful of trangos break poles and have there fabric rip. i have a bibler bomb shelter and have been very satisfyed with it. i also have a bd firstlight it is great as well and amazing what king of weather it can stand up to. had the firstlight pitched when a mountain hardwear space station broke and crumpeled next to it.
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I've been very happy with my Moss Star Dome II. MSR re-released it as the Fury, and it lost about a pound and a half (and a door) in the conversion. Today, its the lightest freestanding, double walled, 2-person, 4-season tent on the market. And its bombproof. It is kind of cozy though. If I had to basecamp for a long time, the BD Fitzroy or Bombshelter would be my choice. Probably the latter, since it comes with a vestibule.
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skiclimb wrote: A pound here..half pound there and pretty soon your talking real weight and bulk. Can make a huge difference in speed and comfort. Hard to beat the enjoyment of doing a 3 day trip carrying less than 20lbs including rope and gear. Yet still be able to handle some pretty nasty conditions if they occur. Word. And the longer the trip, the more you should be concerned about being super light! However, in my experience, 3lb tents are often too close to fragile. I've never had a tent collapse and certainly wouldn't want to stay for a long time in a nylon cacoon. What really concerns me is how light the material is. My tents gotta last a lots of trips, knawmean? With the move to super light, it is sometimes forgotten that having super strong is totally worthwhile. First, the gear lasts you much longer. Second, you can trust it to take a lot more than a whipping to make it unserviceable. Thusly and moreover, it lessens your chances of having gear be the reason for bailing. A pound is a lot of weight though! A buddy and I did 4 days on 35lbs (16kg) each, including an alpine rack, ice axes, and 60m of 9.8mm. We climbed 5 of the 14er Palisades in the Sierras near Bishop, CA with what we brought. We're the 3-5th entries on the registers for Thunderbolt to Mt. Sill for 2009. It made the trip all about the climbing objectives and not about camping! It was a mad sick trip! We didn't go boozeless either.
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skiclimb
Oct 7, 2009, 5:21 PM
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mushroom wrote: skiclimb wrote: A pound here..half pound there and pretty soon your talking real weight and bulk. Can make a huge difference in speed and comfort. Hard to beat the enjoyment of doing a 3 day trip carrying less than 20lbs including rope and gear. Yet still be able to handle some pretty nasty conditions if they occur. Word. And the longer the trip, the more you should be concerned about being super light! However, in my experience, 3lb tents are often too close to fragile. I've never had a tent collapse and certainly wouldn't want to stay for a long time in a nylon cacoon. What really concerns me is how light the material is. My tents gotta last a lots of trips, knawmean? These tents are bombproof. Made with what appears to be modern parachute material. The poles are stronger than any i have ever seen. They last people years with hard use and can handle 150mph wind. Check the reviews. One point is that they don't pass CA fire retardent regs..but find me a tent you want to burn??
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Oct 7, 2009, 5:36 PM
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Bibler (black Diamond) - It is easy to set up as the poles are inside the tent. - I have been told the toddex material can tear easily. - a little hot in the summer - On the heavy side. But I have not found a better tent to sleep. I have taken it on midwinter skis in the dead of winter in the sierra, climbed mt russel on a very cold day after new years, mountains in bolivia and peru. quieter Because the poles were in the inside, it is quieter than most tents. IT was the warmest tent I have ever been in. The toddex material limits the condensation to nothing ( a little frost on the poles). It has live through the some severe wind blasts and the zippers are bomber.
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