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mushroom
Oct 30, 2009, 2:10 AM
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Look, the terminology is not set in stone, but you is knowing what me is talking about. We is talking about that little thingy that you grip on the hanger of your favorite ice screw so you can get that wanker in quicker and get back to the sending. Isn't it?
Rightya: does any of you out there got some homegrown remedy for your screws that doesn't have one? Is you found any cool gadget at your local hardware store worth mentioning that won't kill me and my friends? I know the OP is selling some clever add-on, but is anyone doing it another way?
Or, does anyone out there ever used the OP device and want to give it a thumbs up/thumbs down: how does it work with the screw you own?
Me is got some Charlet Moser Lasers me is trying to outfit.
Respeck.
Nick
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beyond_gravity
Oct 30, 2009, 8:16 PM
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You can try bolting a swivel caster to the hanger and using that as a handle. I like to use the really heavy ones with the ball bearings, goes in like butter.
If you aren't doing so already, I also recommend storing your screws submerged in a solution of 4 parts water to 1 part table salt. It will give your screws more friction on the ice, and thus be stronger.
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shimanilami
Oct 30, 2009, 8:34 PM
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Sweet title for your thread! Not sure what it is, exactly. But I like it.
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nh_ranger
Nov 4, 2009, 3:10 PM
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Omega Pacific sells grinder setups meant to be used on their older models of screws that have no grinder. Not sure if it'd work for the lasers, but it's worth a shot.
http://www.omegapac.com/...lpine_icescrews.html
EDIT: Finally caught the part in your original post about the OP knobs. I say give it a shot, if it works it'd be worth the six bucks.
(This post was edited by nh_ranger on Nov 4, 2009, 3:16 PM)
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gunkiemike
Nov 5, 2009, 12:45 AM
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nh_ranger wrote: Omega Pacific sells grinder setups meant to be used on their older models of screws that have no grinder. Not sure if it'd work for the lasers, but it's worth a shot. http://www.omegapac.com/...lpine_icescrews.html EDIT: Finally caught the part in your original post about the OP knobs. I say give it a shot, if it works it'd be worth the six bucks.
As I recall, they come in packs of 3, so the cost per screw is really minimal. I've added OP knobs to several BD screws. I think they'll fit Lasers also, but haven't any first hand experience. I really doubt you'll come across anything in the hardware store that would work nearly as well.
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nh_ranger
Nov 5, 2009, 3:59 AM
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How does it fit the turbos? (Which is the BD screw I assume you speak of) I've been seeing the turbos online for a helluva lot less than the expresses, and this would make getting the turbos a bit more tolerable.
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tradmanclimbs
Nov 5, 2009, 4:31 AM
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Old style Turbos fracture a LOT more ice than the express. The knob thing is the least of your worries. This won't make a diference if you plan on leading 3 to 3+ but if you plan on climbimng harder you will actually have to get stronger, better and braver with the old style screws.
Screw it! Whip out the plastic and buy your way up those grade 5's 
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gunkiemike
Nov 5, 2009, 10:52 AM
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They fit the Turbos but only once they have been tweaked a bit. Specifically, you need to slightly widen the slot (BD hangers are a tad thicker than OP's. Except for the one that wasn't. Weird.), then you need to cut the slot deeper. I use a small flat file for these steps. Then you need to taper the nut so it snugs up deeply on the threads and doesn't block too much of the biner hole. Optional 4th step - file a small flat onto the outside edge of the hanger. This all takes 10 minutes at my bench.
Tradman - IME a screw that fractures (sends out "spider cracks") as it's put in has an inwardly bent tooth. I've seen two BDs like this. Once the tooth is eased back into place, there is no more fracturing. A tooth where the outer thread was ground off too aggressively can also do this, but BDs are pretty good in that regard, at least compared to a couple other brands.
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tradmanclimbs
Nov 5, 2009, 2:17 PM
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I climb ice way more that i should and have had all kinds of screws and do not let them stay dull. Believe me there is a whole world of difference between the diferent generations of BD ice screws. The fracturing thing is most noteable with 10cm screws while climbing. There is usually not a whole heck of a lot of ice when placeing the 10cm screws so fracturing what little there is sucks dog snott When building threads the old style screws suck dog snott and crack the piss out of the ice on super cold days. Starting with the generation that has the plastic insetr in the handle they are really good. Anything before that and put em on ebay. use the money to buy new screws.
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drytooler
Nov 5, 2009, 5:08 PM
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the 360 = great the New Style BD whit cromo handle also.
Anything else works.. but not like those :-)
a screw Must bite and spins in like a knife in butter!! anything else just sucs on steep-ice
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tradmanclimbs
Nov 5, 2009, 5:12 PM
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a screw Must bite and spins in like a knife in butter!! anything else just sucs on steep-ice
Bingo
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tradmanclimbs
Nov 5, 2009, 5:23 PM
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My favorite go to screws the last few seasons were my grivel helixes. Now the latest neww BDs are the ones that get racked for the steep and stupid sections
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reno
Nov 6, 2009, 12:25 AM
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tradmanclimbs wrote: My favorite go to screws the last few seasons were my grivel helixes.
Agreed, and I still love those things better than any ice screw out there.
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tradmanclimbs
Nov 6, 2009, 1:16 AM
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The new BDs are faster,slicker and better than the Helix hands down.
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reno
Nov 6, 2009, 4:16 AM
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tradmanclimbs wrote: The new BDs are faster,slicker and better than the Helix hands down.
Not having the funds to find out myself, I'll take your word for it, but I still love my Helix screws.
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tradmanclimbs
Nov 6, 2009, 12:41 PM
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I hear ya! It is allmost worth selling all your old screws on ebay evey few years as and going with the latest greatest new screws. I would not recomend this approach if you lead grade 4 and below but if you are doing 4+ and harder fast screws really make a huge difference.
I consider + Ice grades to be full grades.
People tend to overpay like crazy when it comes to buying used gear on ebay!
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