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mikebarter387
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CrazyPetie
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When it first started i thought, "how can a video on how to tie a bowline take 8 minutes long?"... Now i know.
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jeepnphreak
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wow you through me for a loop with this one. I was expecting a new recipe...
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sungam
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Awesome as always, Mike.
But, er... Where'd you get them chaps?
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Bats
Nov 21, 2009, 12:25 PM
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Can I punch people when I see them tying into their harness with a bowline?
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five
Nov 21, 2009, 12:42 PM
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sure; knock yourself out
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scottek67
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What is the point of that video? you show how to tie a bowline but then say don't ever use it! WTF?!
p.s. REAL cowboys don't use cellphones.
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acorneau
Nov 21, 2009, 3:14 PM
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Bowline on a bight FTW!!!!1!!1!one!!!
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sittingduck
Nov 21, 2009, 3:32 PM
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Nice that you at least show a picture of a correctly tied bowline in the video. Why do you tie it differently when you demonstrate it by the fireplace?
Then to a carabiner abseil brake in another video posted here, why did you not rig it correctly?
I doubt beginners will catch up on your errors so please edit the videos.
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mikebarter387
Nov 21, 2009, 3:41 PM
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sittingduck
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mikebarter387 wrote: sittingduck wrote: Nice that you at least show a picture of a correctly tied bowline in the video. Why do you tie it differently when you demonstrate it by the fireplace? Then to a carabiner abseil brake in another video posted here, why did you not rig it correctly? I doubt beginners will catch up on your errors so please edit the videos. This time yesterday I would have said that the green hand was the dumbest person on the planet, today I stand corrected!
You need to correct the videos to Einstein.
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joshy8200
Nov 21, 2009, 4:28 PM
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Is the scenery in this Banff/Lake Louise area?
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mikebarter387
Nov 21, 2009, 4:47 PM
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Half the scenery is Lake O'hare teh rest is mix of Banff Lake Louise. Horse stuff is on the North Boundry Jasper National Park/Robson Park
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joshy8200
Nov 21, 2009, 5:11 PM
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Gotcha...knew it had to be somewhere in that general vicinity.
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mikebarter387
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Urban_Cowboy wrote: acorneau wrote: Bowline on a bight FTW!!!!1!!1!one!!! That was a Bowline WITH a bight...bowline ON a bight is different knot. Not to mention the regular run of the mill everyday bowline was tied in two variations during the video, and not explained. Having the tail on the outside of the finished knot is actually a "cowboy bowline", how fitting for the clip. Next time add in the better way of finishing it, which includes the Yosemite retrace... Knots are my kool-aid, and always peek my interest, but this time I'd like to have that 8 minutes back. 
And they wonder why I drink!
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Urban_Cowboy
Nov 22, 2009, 2:02 AM
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Maybe I would have gotten some humor out of the video if I had been drinking...please include that suggestion on future submittions.
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acorneau
Nov 22, 2009, 2:22 AM
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Urban_Cowboy wrote: acorneau wrote: Bowline on a bight FTW!!!!1!!1!one!!! That was a Bowline WITH a bight...bowline ON a bight is different knot.
No, really, I meant a bowline on a bight.
I wasn't talking about anything in the video, I was showing my preference for a tie-in knot.
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Urban_Cowboy
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acorneau wrote: Urban_Cowboy wrote: acorneau wrote: Bowline on a bight FTW!!!!1!!1!one!!! That was a Bowline WITH a bight...bowline ON a bight is different knot. No, really, I meant a bowline on a bight. I wasn't talking about anything in the video, I was showing my preference for a tie-in knot.
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colatownkid
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Urban_Cowboy wrote: acorneau wrote: Urban_Cowboy wrote: acorneau wrote: Bowline on a bight FTW!!!!1!!1!one!!! That was a Bowline WITH a bight...bowline ON a bight is different knot. No, really, I meant a bowline on a bight. I wasn't talking about anything in the video, I was showing my preference for a tie-in knot. Interesting come-back...I've never seen anyone tie in with a bowline ON a bight, which makes me think you might be lying...besides the fact that you can't tie in to the "hard points" without doing it as a retrace/follow-through, which makes it a serious PITA.
I have, when tying in on a cow's tail or the middle of the rope. However, that's a pretty infrequent occurrence. And most opt for an eight on a bight and a couple biners to the belay loop instead.
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Urban_Cowboy
Nov 22, 2009, 3:14 AM
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colatownkid wrote: I have, when tying in on a cow's tail or the middle of the rope. However, that's a pretty infrequent occurrence. And most opt for an eight on a bight and a couple biners to the belay loop instead.
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colatownkid
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Urban_Cowboy wrote: colatownkid wrote: I have, when tying in on a cow's tail or the middle of the rope. However, that's a pretty infrequent occurrence. And most opt for an eight on a bight and a couple biners to the belay loop instead. Tying in with the middle of the rope, using a bowline ON a bight? You'd have to pass the bight around your entire body to finish it....are you sure it wasn't a WITH a bight? Lots of folks don't know the difference, or that there are even those two variations; they are way different. More variations of the bowline than any other knot.
I thought I meant what I said, but now I'm not sure. I did some research and I'm pretty sure I have no idea any more.
What I mean to describe is tying into the middle of a rope by making a bight in the rope to use as the working end. You then pass this working end/bight though your tie-in points. You then make a loop in both strands of the standing end. You pass the bight through the loop, around the standing end, and back through the loop to make a bowline. You then tie an overhand as a back-up knot. Alternately, you can then clip the bight to your belay loop with a locking carabiner to prevent the knot from untying. I have seen this used on more than one occasion.
It is described as a double bowline (this is what I thought was a bowline on a bight) on page 144 of Freedom of the Hills here:
http://books.google.com/...e&q=&f=false
Grog seems to think that a bowline on a bight is this:
http://www.animatedknots.com/...ww.animatedknots.com
I admit I have never seen this before.
Wikipedia agrees with what I thought a double bowline was until I looked it up in Freedom of the Hills:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bowline
So, I don't know what to call a double bowline and what to call a bowline on a bight anymore. Anyway, what I was talking about in my last post is what is represented in the link to FOTH.
As an aside, it is fairly common for the middle man on a three-man rope team traveling across glaciers to tie in with an alpine butterfly on the belay loop by passing the bight around the entire body.
So, since you claim knots are your thing, what the hell do I call those three knots above?
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Urban_Cowboy
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Bowline on a bight is what you linked to animated knots. It's tied using a bight of rope, then the bight is passed around the whole thing leaving no tail.
Bowline with a bight is a regular bowline tied with the rope doubled over, or tied with a bight, leaving a doubled tail that must be backed up with a safety knot or carabiner.
Double bowline is a single bowline, but with a double round turn as the "hole in front of the tree".
There are so many variations of the bowline it's tough to keep them all straight. Good links on the variations, hopefully my post helps with some clarification. Climb safe!
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colatownkid
Nov 22, 2009, 4:35 AM
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Urban_Cowboy wrote: Bowline on a bight is what you linked to animated knots. It's tied using a bight of rope, then the bight is passed around the whole thing leaving no tail. Bowline with a bight is a regular bowline tied with the rope doubled over, or tied with a bight, leaving a doubled tail that must be backed up with a safety knot or carabiner. Double bowline is a single bowline, but with a double round turn as the "hole in front of the tree". There are so many variations of the bowline it's tough to keep them all straight. Good links on the variations, hopefully my post helps with some clarification. Climb safe!
Gotcha. Bowline with a bight it is.
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altelis
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I've heard of people using the bowline on a bight as a way to equalize two pieces when creating an anchor with the rope....any body know about this?
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