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northcave
Feb 10, 2010, 1:18 PM
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I am going to do my first alpine climb where an overnight stay is required. We're planning on staying in a hut at about 3000m before doing the summit.
I am assume that if it is about -5c at 1000m then at 3k it will be more like -15c.
I have a 5 season synthetic bag (4 season + or whatever you want to call it) but does anyone have any advice here? I feel that even with a good bag, that it is going to get seriously cold. I won't be taking a duvet jacket up since it will be March and far to warm in the day to need one.
Any advice appreciated. Ideally i don't want to carry two sleeping bags up with me :)
(This post was edited by northcave on Feb 10, 2010, 2:10 PM)
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csproul
Feb 10, 2010, 1:44 PM
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-10F or -10C? If I was sure that I'd be able to stay in a hut, I'd probably be ok with my summer bag and bring a down jacket. Hard to say without knowing more about where you are staying.
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jaablink
Feb 10, 2010, 1:45 PM
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You should edit that before everyone busts your balls about the extra season….
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AntinJ
Feb 10, 2010, 1:50 PM
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jaablink - Some companies market their gear (usually tents) to be "5 Season", so it may have not been an error.
OP - Huts vary greatly in how much warmth they hold. Try and learn a little more about the specific hut you will be staying at. Generally however, I do agree with the responses above; a summer bag in conjunction with warm clothes is usually sufficient inside a hut.
Have Fun!
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northcave
Feb 10, 2010, 2:14 PM
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AntinJ wrote: OP - Huts vary greatly in how much warmth they hold. Try and learn a little more about the specific hut you will be staying at. Generally however, I do agree with the responses above; a summer bag in conjunction with warm clothes is usually sufficient inside a hut.
Not a huge amount of info on the hut unfortunately but here is a pic:
http://www.summitpost.org/...php?object_id=220792
There would be 3 of us so it will warm up with cooking and what not but not by much i wouldn't have thought.
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Lazlo
Feb 10, 2010, 3:02 PM
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Just to throw some random tips and advice out there. Some is overkill. Just pick and choose.
Use a full length pad or stuff some spare clothes under your legs/feet to insulate you from the cold ground.
Sleep on your back, as this elevates your feet away from the cold ground. Your blood vessels are on top of your feet.
Eat spicy food for dinner. The warming effect is actually quite surprising.
Boil water before bed and sleep with your water bottles.
Be careful to not over dress for bed. If you are too warm and begin to sweat in your sleep, and the night gets colder, you will wake to a cold damp bag.
put foot warmers in between a double layer of socks. It's generally horribly cold feet that will wake me in the night before anything else.
Use a pee bottle so that you don't have to leave the hut/tent at night.
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walkonyourhands
Feb 10, 2010, 4:40 PM
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Some info brought up by google:
From what I understand, there are 24 beds in the refuge and it is equipped with cooking equipment. I wouldn't fully rely on the latter without further info but you most certainly won't need a sleeping pad. I'm pretty sure that there are enough covers up there, so bringing a summer bag or even just a thin silk or cotton blanket (you can get those at most commercial and alpine-club huts in europe) might be sufficient. From my experience, almost all such huts and bivys in the alps are well-equipped with (more or less filthy) wool covers.
Some links I found (french or german):
http://www.cas-bex.ch/...e-chalet/accueil.htm
http://www.refuges.info/...e-des-dents-du-midi/
http://www.vs-wallis.ch/...s/huetten/dmidi.html
The refuge is maintained by the CAS Argentine (they even seem to serve tea up there in summer), so you could drop them a mail or call for accurate info:
http://www.cas-bex.ch/
If I didn't misread, they even have a toilet!
I seriously hope that this is not your exclusive source of information, a good guidebook and talking with the locals should be mandatory.
Good luck!
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northcave
Feb 10, 2010, 4:47 PM
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walkonyourhands wrote: Some info brought up by google: From what I understand, there are 24 beds in the refuge and it is equipped with cooking equipment. I wouldn't fully rely on the latter without further info but you most certainly won't need a sleeping pad. I'm pretty sure that there are enough covers up there, so bringing a summer bag or even just a thin silk or cotton blanket (you can get those at most commercial and alpine-club huts in europe) might be sufficient. From my experience, almost all such huts and bivys in the alps are well-equipped with (more or less filthy) wool covers. Some links I found (french or german): http://www.cas-bex.ch/...e-chalet/accueil.htm http://www.refuges.info/...e-des-dents-du-midi/ http://www.vs-wallis.ch/...s/huetten/dmidi.html The refuge is maintained by the CAS Argentine (they even seem to serve tea up there in summer), so you could drop them a mail or call for accurate info: http://www.cas-bex.ch/ If I didn't misread, they even have a toilet! I seriously hope that this is not your exclusive source of information, a good guidebook and talking with the locals should be mandatory. Good luck!
top Stuff... thanks
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