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miklaw
Mar 24, 2010, 2:50 AM
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Anyone know of a shot of these massive ringboltzen(?) used in Dresden/Czech republic/elbe sandstein area.
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mtn_eagle
Mar 24, 2010, 3:35 AM
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There are pictures of a ring, drill, hammer and navrtavak, as well as a photo of a guy putting one in on page 48 of the Alpinist #6. It's an article about the Kalamarka Arete.
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sbaclimber
Mar 24, 2010, 9:38 AM
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miklaw wrote: Anyone know of a shot of these massive ringboltzen(?) used in Dresden/Czech republic/elbe sandstein area. 
They are called Ringhaken (in German, no idea in Czech...)
I only have a tiny pic for you right at the moment...
Edit: here's the bigger version...
....and if you're interested, what a rap anchor looks like...
The standard rings now days, like the one above, aren't all that big.
Now this is a massive ring, but there aren't many left that are this big...
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sbaclimber
Mar 24, 2010, 8:40 PM
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seatbeltpants wrote: sbaclimber wrote: i think i can see a notch worn in that - not sure i'd trust it. steve
Needless to say, this was well before the advent of things like nylon ropes and carabiners......but apparently, the old school technique was....the leader would climb to said ring, put his arm through it (as a sort of "no hands rest"), untie from the rope, feed the rope through the ring, tie back in, and continue climbing. The second going through pretty much exactly the same process (only with removing the rope from the ring instead of feeding it through) to follow the route
....might explain why there are so damn few of them around....
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qwert
Mar 24, 2010, 9:51 PM
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sbaclimber wrote: seatbeltpants wrote: sbaclimber wrote: i think i can see a notch worn in that - not sure i'd trust it. steve There are interesting anecdotes regarding the climbing / protection technique back in the "good 'ol days" with such bolts. Needless to say, this was well before the advent of things like nylon ropes and carabiners......but apparently, the old school technique was....the leader would climb to said ring, put his arm through it (as a sort of "no hands rest"), untie from the rope, feed the rope through the ring, tie back in, and continue climbing. The second going through pretty much exactly the same process (only with removing the rope from the ring instead of feeding it through) to follow the route ....might explain why there are so damn few of them around....
What kind of mutant arms do you need to have to need such a ring?
Another intersting note:
The "glue" that was used in past days sometimes was lead.
You put some lead stripes in the hole, and then hammered in the bolt.
qwert
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sbaclimber
Mar 24, 2010, 9:57 PM
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qwert wrote: sbaclimber wrote: seatbeltpants wrote: sbaclimber wrote: [image]http://www.teufelsturm.de/img/fotos/pic2917.jpg[/image] i think i can see a notch worn in that - not sure i'd trust it. steve There are interesting anecdotes regarding the climbing / protection technique back in the "good 'ol days" with such bolts. Needless to say, this was well before the advent of things like nylon ropes and carabiners......but apparently, the old school technique was....the leader would climb to said ring, put his arm through it (as a sort of "no hands rest"), untie from the rope, feed the rope through the ring, tie back in, and continue climbing. The second going through pretty much exactly the same process (only with removing the rope from the ring instead of feeding it through) to follow the route ....might explain why there are so damn few of them around.... I havent been at the elbsandstein, but i have heard of that technique, but even for that this particular ring seems excessive. What kind of mutant arms do you need to have to need such a ring? Another intersting note: The "glue" that was used in past days sometimes was lead. You put some lead stripes in the hole, and then hammered in the bolt. qwert 
That technique hasn't changed much in the past century.
I have a pic of 3 of us hanging off one new stainless ring though, and by looking at it, I am not so sure is is set with lead. It may actually be glued in like most "modern" bolts.
But honestly, I really don't know. I was too busy trying to find space for 3 carabiners plus a rap-line...
I need to work on my party-of-3+-multi-pitch skills 
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miklaw
Mar 25, 2010, 1:31 AM
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Thanks for the shots, we have these larger than life units in Australia
-how do I embed the image? I don't have a kid to help me
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boymeetsrock
Mar 25, 2010, 2:52 AM
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Once you have attached your image to your reply you need to post it. Then you can open the attachment and copy the image location. Then you can edit the post. Use the "image" tag on either side of the image location link. ...there may be an easier way.
Thanks for posting the photo!
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miklaw
Mar 25, 2010, 2:56 AM
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Thanks for that-
funny story about the mega-rings. A friend showed his uncle a photo of a ring bolt. His uncle was a boilermaker and whipped up 30 that afternoon. It's a massive operation to drill the 'tunnel' for them, and then open the sluice gates and fill them with glue.
But they make a very good handle for the 'special needs' (pumped senseless) climber.
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sbaclimber
Mar 25, 2010, 5:58 AM
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boymeetsrock wrote: [image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=4657;[/image] Once you have attached your image to your reply you need to post it. Then you can open the attachment and copy the image location. Then you can edit the post. Use the "image" tag on either side of the image location link. ...there may be an easier way.
If the pic is an attachment on your own post, simply write into your post:
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boymeetsrock
Mar 25, 2010, 12:25 PM
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sbaclimber wrote: boymeetsrock wrote: [image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=4657;[/image] Once you have attached your image to your reply you need to post it. Then you can open the attachment and copy the image location. Then you can edit the post. Use the "image" tag on either side of the image location link. ...there may be an easier way. yep, there is. If the pic is an attachment on your own post, simply write into your post:
Cool. Thanks!
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