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jynckx
Mar 31, 2010, 12:06 PM
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I just ordered a soloist by wren industries. It will allow me to climb lead by myself (sport, trad, aid, TR, etc.). If I send a 5.12a, can I say I free soloed it? Technically I am free climbing, with one person (solo), so it is a free solo. Free solo has come to mean sans rope, but the term free solo only implies free climbing with 1 person. What should it be called if I send a route on self belay? It is definitely burlier than sending with a proper sport belay...
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csproul
Mar 31, 2010, 12:14 PM
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rope solo
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johnwesely
Mar 31, 2010, 12:29 PM
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jynckx wrote: I just ordered a soloist by wren industries. It will allow me to climb lead by myself (sport, trad, aid, TR, etc.). If I send a 5.12a, can I say I free soloed it? Technically I am free climbing, with one person (solo), so it is a free solo. Free solo has come to mean sans rope, but the term free solo only implies free climbing with 1 person. What should it be called if I send a route on self belay? It is definitely burlier than sending with a proper sport belay...
Quote for posterity.
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d.vonk
Mar 31, 2010, 1:29 PM
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Free solo is you the rock and nothing else. Period.
Your send would be a rope solo. Period.
D.
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shoo
Mar 31, 2010, 1:49 PM
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Typically, what you are climbing would be called "roped solo."
Always hated the term "free solo" for exactly this reason. In climbing jargon, "free" means without aid. Solo means without a partner. Somehow, the combination gets the no aid and no partner aspects, but somehow automatically means protectionless as well.
I understand that climbing jargon is different than popular vernacular. However, it would be nice to have consistency within our own language, no?
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marc801
Mar 31, 2010, 3:34 PM
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jynckx wrote: Free solo has come to mean sans rope,...
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jynckx
Apr 1, 2010, 12:07 AM
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I disagree with the posts above. Rope solo implies aid, as that is the way most people rope solo. Also, there is nothing in the term rope solo that says you are free climbing, not aid. So, I think rope solo is not an appropriate term. Maybe rope free solo...
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johnwesely
Apr 1, 2010, 12:20 AM
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jynckx wrote: I disagree with the posts above. Rope solo implies aid, as that is the way most people rope solo. Also, there is nothing in the term rope solo that says you are free climbing, not aid. So, I think rope solo is not an appropriate term. Maybe rope free solo...
I disagree. When I hear rope solo, I think free. When I hear aid rope solo, I think aid.
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jt512
Apr 1, 2010, 12:41 AM
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jynckx wrote: I disagree with the posts above. Rope solo implies aid, as that is the way most people rope solo.
Nope. "Roped solo" has meant a self-belayed, free climb for as long as I can remember. An aid solo is known as an "aid solo," oddly enough.
Jay
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marc801
Apr 1, 2010, 12:43 AM
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jynckx wrote: I disagree with the posts above. Rope solo implies aid, as that is the way most people rope solo. Also, there is nothing in the term rope solo that says you are free climbing, not aid. So, I think rope solo is not an appropriate term. Maybe rope free solo...
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davidnn5
Apr 1, 2010, 12:48 AM
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Call it super-duper rope free solo onsight bestest evar and be done with it.
Did it occur to you that as you won't be climbing with anyone, there's no need to name it at all?
Of course, that would violate the 'make oneself sound cool' principle. So see above for best term.
For some reason, I always have to add words I've missed lately. Damnit!
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notapplicable
Apr 1, 2010, 1:32 AM
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jynckx wrote: ...free solo...on self belay?
Your doing it wrong
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airscape
Apr 6, 2010, 1:15 PM
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d.vonk wrote: Free solo is you the rock and nothing else. Period. Your send would be a rope solo. Period. D.
You have like 7 periods in that post.
Here.... have a tampon.
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dingus
Apr 6, 2010, 1:49 PM
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I call it Marmalade.
You should too.
DMT
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meanandugly
Apr 6, 2010, 3:23 PM
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Here's some trems for you:
Top-rope solo
Sport solo
Trad solo
Aid solo
Masturbation
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moose_droppings
Apr 6, 2010, 4:33 PM
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meanandugly wrote: Here's some trems for you: Top-rope solo Sport solo Trad solo Aid solo Masturbation
Roped masturbation
Aid masturbation
Roped solo masturbation
Team masturbation
Sport masturbation
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dingus
Apr 6, 2010, 4:34 PM
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Here are interesting terms...
'climbing'
'climbed'
DMT
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fresh
Apr 6, 2010, 4:49 PM
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does it strike anyone how insane it would be to rope solo a 12a?
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patmay81
Apr 6, 2010, 6:26 PM
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For me to rope solo any where near my otherwise onsight grade is insane. I enjoy long 5.6-8 rope solos, but even the thought of a single pitch of 5.11 rope solo, fussing with the gear, rope, belay device, anchors... no, it will give me nightmares!
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marc801
Apr 7, 2010, 4:39 AM
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fresh wrote: does it strike anyone how insane it would be to rope solo a 12a?
Edit to add: Doh! I see camhead beat me to this post by a little more than an hour.
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Apr 7, 2010, 11:20 AM
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marc801 wrote: fresh wrote: does it strike anyone how insane it would be to rope solo a 12a? No, seeing that some of the notable names in climbing did just that to work some pitches during their free attempts on El Cap. Tommy Caldwell is one that comes to mind. Edit to add: Doh! I see camhead beat me to this post by a little more than an hour.
you must be a slow typer!
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jynckx
Jun 25, 2010, 12:27 PM
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well, first day out with the device I managed to send a 5.7 onsight, flail on a 5.11 corner crack (sent it next day out) and send a 5.12a overhang 2nd go. Im pretty happy with that. I don't care what you call it, I am just trying to define some terms which will need to be more clearly defined in the future.
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