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jbro_135
May 24, 2010, 2:52 AM
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Should I get camalots or dmm dragons for my first set of cams? The price difference is negligible where I will be buying them.
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cush
May 24, 2010, 3:59 AM
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go for camalots. the action on the two units is similar seeing as they were built using almost identical designs. personally i really like having the thumb loop.
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billcoe_
May 24, 2010, 4:01 AM
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jbro_135 wrote: Should I get camalots or dmm dragons for my first set of cams? The price difference is negligible where I will be buying them.
Please get both and tell us what you like better. BTW, the Dragons only go to #4 Camalot size, so your 5 and 6 will be Camalots - or nothing.
For myself, although I love lightweight, I don't think the Dragons were enough to make me want to buy them. The BD nylon sling will far outlast the DMM sling, and the thumb loop on the Black Diamond looks sweeter - to me, as well.
(This post was edited by billcoe_ on May 24, 2010, 4:02 AM)
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kobaz
May 24, 2010, 4:55 AM
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billcoe_ wrote: so your 5 and 6 will be Camalots - or nothing.
There's always wild country, rock empire, valley giant, and some others, he said first set of cams.. not the only set.
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jbro_135
May 24, 2010, 1:41 PM
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I don't know of any routes around here that require really big cams, I think I would only get up to #3 or 4 black diamond anyway
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kennoyce
May 24, 2010, 1:59 PM
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Go BD, the thumb loop is vastly superior.
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caughtinside
May 24, 2010, 3:26 PM
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kobaz wrote: billcoe_ wrote: so your 5 and 6 will be Camalots - or nothing. There's always wild country, rock empire, valley giant, and some others, he said first set of cams.. not the only set.
Wild Country no longer produces a 5 or 6, and valley giant doesn't make cams in those sizes. I suppose you could get rock empire if you want some sucky cams.
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coolcat83
May 24, 2010, 4:38 PM
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I like my midsize metolius and trango too. C3s and tcus for the small stuff imo
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boadman
May 27, 2010, 7:44 PM
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jbro_135 wrote: Should I get camalots or dmm dragons for my first set of cams? The price difference is negligible where I will be buying them.
I've actually climbed with the Dragons. I like them, the lack of thumb loop doesn't bug me at all. They're just as easy to place when gripped, as far as I can tell. Additionally, they take up less space on the harness when the slings are doubled. If you're doing a lot of aid climbing and the 1.5" difference between the dragons and the bds is a deal breaker, get the C4s.
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May 30, 2010, 4:40 PM
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I recently bought couple Dragons: #2 & #3. They work well for me, and I'm going to get the remaining sizes shortly. The extendable sling is kinda nice for trad, although the time will tell how long they will last (honestly, I don't care - will either re-sling them or get some new shiny ones  ).
Met MasterCams 1-4 cover the bottom range.
Don't like the "made in China" BD stuff.
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drytooler
May 30, 2010, 5:16 PM
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hey i climb whit i mix
4 WC zero's
dmm 4cu
0.4 BD cams
0.5 BD
0.75 BD
0.75 BD(new C4)
1 BD
1 BD(new c4)
2 trango maxcam
2 dmm dragon !!!
3 trango maxcam
3.5 BD(old design)
4 bd c4
5 bd c4
I have the DMM Dragon only fore 1,5 weeks now made 1 fall in it :) it works smooth the missing thumb loop is not that match of a problem because the metal thumb part works good. I Really like the extendable sling.
Greetz Dennis
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kobaz
May 31, 2010, 11:27 PM
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caughtinside wrote: kobaz wrote: billcoe_ wrote: so your 5 and 6 will be Camalots - or nothing. There's always wild country, rock empire, valley giant, and some others, he said first set of cams.. not the only set. Wild Country no longer produces a 5 or 6, and valley giant doesn't make cams in those sizes. I suppose you could get rock empire if you want some sucky cams.
Hmm... you can still buy wc 5's from some places, 6's seem to be sold out... that's a shame if they actually stopped making them.
Maybe it was another niche cam company... but I remember seeing some valley giant style cams in the 5/6 range.
What's wrong with rock empire? The action isn't as good as the black diamonds, but hell, they work, I've fallen on them, and they are half the price.
Edited for spelling, heh.
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