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crjanow
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angry wrote: crjanow wrote: the best help for someone is to poke them in the brown eye with a stick. makes em climb like hell!  That didn't work with your mom.
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dingus
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aae wrote: I'm a girl newbie and one of my problems is getting my butt in when I need to move through several steps in a row. My helpful belayer who I didn't really know and is an experienced, really good climber kept saying, "Get your ass into the wall", but to no avail. So...he assisted a couple of times.( puns intended). I took it as meaning to be helpful, but out of the corner of my eye saw another guy rolling his eyes. Waht level of hands-on help is Ok? Was I being naive to an ass-grab? Should I say something or just get over it?
This thread is useless without pictures.
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dingus
Jun 18, 2010, 5:54 PM
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Does your ass look like Lada Gaga's? If so, getting it in (so to speak) may be a challenge????
Just asking???
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desertwanderer81
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aae wrote: I'm a girl newbie and one of my problems is getting my butt in when I need to move through several steps in a row. My helpful belayer who I didn't really know and is an experienced, really good climber kept saying, "Get your ass into the wall", but to no avail. So...he assisted a couple of times.( puns intended). I took it as meaning to be helpful, but out of the corner of my eye saw another guy rolling his eyes. Waht level of hands-on help is Ok? Was I being naive to an ass-grab? Should I say something or just get over it?
A nice spanking is much more effective at keeping the bottom in and is a lot more fun!
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patmay81
Jun 18, 2010, 6:12 PM
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I'd say just from a guess, he was grabbing your ass. There are a lot of times (any kind of slab or vertical) where having your ass out will actually push your feet into the wall.
If he really needs to help he should show you personally, not try to contort your body into some kind of contrived position.
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bill413
Jun 18, 2010, 7:04 PM
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ladyscarlett wrote: Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: kriso9tails wrote: Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: Don't know what it means, but something doesn't add up... Maybe this needs to be moved to the lab. If someone is willing to send me some women, I'd be willing to do the testing at my own expense. I have a modified experiment - you and I will go to the gym and see how many ass grabs we can get in before the other person rolls their eyes. I'm guessing neither one of us will get an eye roll . Can I join in on both? I hate the double standard and try to invalidate it whenever possible! Would love to try either test. What I would be curious, is who would throw a slap, and who would throw a punch? personally have NEVER had my asses grabbed, pushed, patted, or whatever for beta. So I guess if I want to get some, gotta give some! heh ls
Clearly, you must climb with the wrong partners!
Better seduce some others.
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dugl33
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ladyscarlett wrote: Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: kriso9tails wrote: Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: Don't know what it means, but something doesn't add up... Maybe this needs to be moved to the lab. If someone is willing to send me some women, I'd be willing to do the testing at my own expense. I have a modified experiment - you and I will go to the gym and see how many ass grabs we can get in before the other person rolls their eyes. I'm guessing neither one of us will get an eye roll . Can I join in on both? I hate the double standard and try to invalidate it whenever possible! Would love to try either test. What I would be curious, is who would throw a slap, and who would throw a punch? personally have NEVER had my asses grabbed, pushed, patted, or whatever for beta. So I guess if I want to get some, gotta give some! heh ls
There comes a time when the only appropriate way to help is to grab a little ass.
Of course, when it comes to climbing, its one thing to offer someone a so called power spot when bouldering, quite another to just randomly push someones butt into the wall when they're on a top rope.
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ladyscarlett
Jun 18, 2010, 7:25 PM
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Haha!
I didn't notice the misspelling until that pic...nice!
I don't think i'm going to edit either. I'll just have you all know, yes - the view from behind is big enough for ass to be plural!
cheers
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bill413
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jt512 wrote: aae wrote: I'm a girl newbie and one of my problems is getting my butt in when I need to move through several steps in a row. My helpful belayer who I didn't really know and is an experienced, really good climber kept saying, "Get your ass into the wall", but to no avail. So...he assisted a couple of times.( puns intended). I took it as meaning to be helpful, but out of the corner of my eye saw another guy rolling his eyes. Waht level of hands-on help is Ok? Was I being naive to an ass-grab? Should I say something or just get over it? What are you worried about? 
Now that's a supportive partner.
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dugl33
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^^^ Lucky he didn't flip on his head. A female friend of mine, who has been both an accomplished gymnast and climber, pointed out to me that a woman should be spotted at her hips due to her lower center of gravity, whereas with a dude the center of gravity is higher.
Of course, with the OP it wasn't about good spotting technique but rather unsolicited advice in an unsolicited way. He could have simply shown her the difference, or better yet had another female show her the difference.
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donald949
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ladyscarlett wrote: Haha! I didn't notice the misspelling until that pic...nice! I don't think i'm going to edit either. I'll just have you all know, yes - the view from behind is big enough for ass to be plural! cheers ls
Um....
Thinking......
OK, I'll go ahead and say it...
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donald949
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Useless without pictures!!!11!!11!!!
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timstich
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Back to the original question, no, it is not necessary to push someone's ass into the wall in order to instruct them how to climb. It is also a breach of etiquette. Your male friend should have first said, "May I have permission to place my hand on your buttocks? This is purely for instruction." He did not. He is guilty therefore of grabassery. Now you know the definitive answer.
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napoleon_in_rags
Jun 19, 2010, 8:48 PM
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It's an ass grab.
You notice ass pushing beta is never given to new male climbers.
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timstich wrote: Back to the original question, no, it is not necessary to push someone's ass into the wall in order to instruct them how to climb.
That is correct. I have given (and asked for) a power spot a few times. It usually involves a hand on the back or two hands on the waist/upper hips-- picture where a figure skater or a dancer holds his partner when picking her up for a support. Definitely not ass.
timstich wrote: Your male friend should have first said, "May I have permission to place my hand on your buttocks? This is purely for instruction."
Now, THIS is funny. "May I please touch your buttocks"--ROTFL!!! No one talks that way in real life. Still, I agree with a basic concept. He should have warned you that he was going to give you a power spot, make sure that you were O.K. with it and ready for it. It doesn't make sense to just shove someone into the wall, you want to time it so the assist goes along with and matches the movement initiated by the climber. So there should be some sort of: "ready?-- O.K. go!" exchange...
So, bottom line-- yeah, he was doing some groping, while (quite possibly) genuinely trying to be helpful, too. If you are O.K. with it, then no harm done, let the other guy roll his eyes all he wants-- he might just be jealous, LOL. But do suggest that next time he spots you in a more helpful way, or maybe show you the move, instead of just pushing you every time, if you actually want some climbing instruction, too.
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dingus
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lena_chita wrote: timstich wrote: Your male friend should have first said, "May I have permission to place my hand on your buttocks? This is purely for instruction." Now, THIS is funny. "May I please touch your buttocks"--ROTFL!!! No one talks that way in real life.
What??? I say it all the time.
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In New Zealand we call it the Girlfriend spot ..it better be your girlfriend or you're in trouble!
He could put his hands on the Hips for same effect...I'd say he was inexperienced or enjoying it.
Mostly used while bouldering. I don't like to fall so getting the girlfriend spot (catch and lift down) is fine by me. Sometimes I will get someone to hold me in to try the moves on something I don't have the core tension for. When you fall mistakes happen and the odd grope can happen by accident...But better get felt up than not spotted well.
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karmiclimber
Jun 22, 2010, 6:05 AM
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aae wrote: I'm a girl newbie and one of my problems is getting my butt in when I need to move through several steps in a row. My helpful belayer who I didn't really know and is an experienced, really good climber kept saying, "Get your ass into the wall", but to no avail. So...he assisted a couple of times.( puns intended). I took it as meaning to be helpful, but out of the corner of my eye saw another guy rolling his eyes. Waht level of hands-on help is Ok? Was I being naive to an ass-grab? Should I say something or just get over it?
Nice troll, super-helpful, kind, magnanimous, ass grabbing belayer. ;-)
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karmiclimber
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timstich wrote: Back to the original question, no, it is not necessary to push someone's ass into the wall in order to instruct them how to climb. It is also a breach of etiquette. Your male friend should have first said, "May I have permission to place my hand on your buttocks? This is purely for instruction." He did not. He is guilty therefore of grabassery. Now you know the definitive answer.
I just spit out my drink.
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jt512
Jun 22, 2010, 7:18 AM
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timstich wrote: May I have permission to place my hand on your buttocks? This is purely for instruction.
No, Tim, you may not.
Jay
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Brilliant! There's nothing like the mention of a nice bum to get the conversation really going - love it!
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kriso9tails wrote: Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: Don't know what it means, but something doesn't add up... Maybe this needs to be moved to the lab. If someone is willing to send me some women, I'd be willing to do the testing at my own expense.
Sorry, Adat is in charge of testing things to failure around here. 
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kriso9tails wrote: Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: Don't know what it means, but something doesn't add up... Maybe this needs to be moved to the lab. If someone is willing to send me some women, I'd be willing to do the testing at my own expense.
I hope you have deep pockets.
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