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bearbreeder
Aug 27, 2010, 5:09 PM
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without a dedicated person with a lot of time on their hands ... the lab will sadly die
i think it will die ... one less reason to go to RC
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curt
Aug 27, 2010, 5:31 PM
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No doubt the Lab forum is a mess right now. I guess site management will have to decide what to do with it.
1) Restore it, as before.
2) Nuke it--and transfer non-Aric vandalized threads to "Gear Heads."
3) ???
Curt
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russwalling
Aug 27, 2010, 6:03 PM
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The lab is now dead.
This Lab forum was probably the only thing worth reading on a somewhat regular basis on RC.Com. thanks for the tests Aric, regardless of the methods and standards used, it was still interesting.
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billl7
Aug 27, 2010, 8:04 PM
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curt wrote: 1) Restore it, as before. 2) Nuke it--and transfer non-Aric vandalized threads to "Gear Heads." 3) ???
oh i don't know. having "vandalized" threads around kind of fits in with the "harassment" and "gang banging" that is now so much a part of RC.com. i'd say to just leave it as is. no sense in false advertising that might come from cleaning it up.
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Aug 27, 2010, 8:54 PM
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russwalling wrote: The lab is now dead. This Lab forum was probably the only thing worth reading on a somewhat regular basis on RC.Com. thanks for the tests Aric, regardless of the methods and standards used, it was still interesting.
It might be dead now but eventually someone will pick up the baton and run with it. Check back once in a while, ya never know what surprising things might be in store in the future.
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adatesman
Aug 31, 2010, 4:22 PM
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Thanks all. Hearing my work was actually appreciated by some means a lot.
For those interested, it looks like my new home will be TheClimbingLab.com. It's a new site specifically dedicated to the use and testing if climbing gear and we're (I'm not the only one working on it) hoping to have it fully live by the end of the year. The reason for the delay is that we're looking to do far more than what was possible here on RC due to limitations of the forum-only interface and it's going to take a while to get it all set up and running smoothly.
Guess this is my last post on RC. Was fun while it lasted. Good luck to you all and climb safe.
-aric.
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subantz
Aug 31, 2010, 4:28 PM
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adatesman wrote: Thanks all. Hearing my work was actually appreciated by some means a lot. For those interested, it looks like my new home will be TheClimbingLab.com. It's a new site specifically dedicated to the use and testing if climbing gear and we're (I'm not the only one working on it) hoping to have it fully live by the end of the year. The reason for the delay is that we're looking to do far more than what was possible here on RC due to limitations of the forum-only interface and it's going to take a while to get it all set up and running smoothly. Guess this is my last post on RC. Was fun while it lasted. Good luck to you all and climb safe. -aric.
and do your best and blow RC.COM out of the water.
PS can I be your site super troll.
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majid_sabet
Aug 31, 2010, 5:29 PM
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subantz wrote: adatesman wrote: Thanks all. Hearing my work was actually appreciated by some means a lot. For those interested, it looks like my new home will be TheClimbingLab.com. It's a new site specifically dedicated to the use and testing if climbing gear and we're (I'm not the only one working on it) hoping to have it fully live by the end of the year. The reason for the delay is that we're looking to do far more than what was possible here on RC due to limitations of the forum-only interface and it's going to take a while to get it all set up and running smoothly. Guess this is my last post on RC. Was fun while it lasted. Good luck to you all and climb safe. -aric. No this isnt your last post cause your going to post up and let us know when the other site is up and running, RIGHT. I hope so. and do your best and blow RC.COM out of the water. PS can I be your site super troll.
I am the kind of troll here with master key to his lab
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xtrmecat
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trapdoor wrote: dynosore wrote: climboard wrote: roy_hinkley_jr wrote: Have to disagree. His "contributions" were minimal at best and in some cases potentially harmful. Unfortunately Aric seldom understood the limitations of his knowledge, which often resulted in ill-conceived tests and/or poor interpretations of the results. Like much of pseudoscience, it sounds reasonable to the uninformed. And he'd get overly defensive when errors were pointed out. In the long run, this forum is truly better off without Aric. So are you volunteering to pick up the reins since you obviously can do better? I have to agree with roy here. I think Aric was well intentioned but misguided a bit. I have 16 years in materials science, including overseeing QA labs for a Fortune 50 company, so I know a few things about testing. Aric's methodology, equipment, and interpretation of data left me cringing many times. The homemade cam competition etc. was a great idea however. He must have his reasons for deleting all his posts, but it does leave a mess. I concur.
Plus one more. Just having tons of energy and writing about it all the time in no way makes anything you say valid. Good luck with your website, I hope it doesn't get anyone killed. Got a lawyer already?
Bob
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ncrockclimber
Aug 31, 2010, 9:25 PM
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From TheClimbingLab.com wrote: You will have one hour from the moment you hit Submit to edit a post.
So, after Aric pitched a fit about having the right to delete all his material from this site, he starts a site that does not provide that right to users. That strikes me as being rather hypocritical.
From TheClimbingLab.com wrote: The Lab Proctor No one knows who the Lab Proctor really is, and he prefers to keep it that way as he's not really a people person and doesn't feel qualified to participate in technical discussions about climbing gear. But he has a good bit of experience running web sites and forums and is willing to help out by performing those duties here, so we keep him around.
Yeah, right - the mysterious "Lab Proctor" is not Aric.
I never appreciated or respected the quality of Aric's work as a moderator. He was often rude and all to ready to hide behind his "title" whenever he began to lose an argument or a mud slinging match.
I was rather neutral on his work in the lab. It seemed that he had a lot of energy and a lot of time, and was more than willing to invest both in breaking stuff. He also did a good job making the climbing community aware of the quality issues with Aliens and other recalls. However, everyone needs to remember who Aric is. He is a weekend warrior with about 5 years of climbing experience, no climbing industry experience and no recent work history in engineering. Being passionate about climbing and reading a lot of books does not qualify you to design gear or talk as an authority about climbing related topics.
I hope that Aric enjoys his new site. However, I also hope that he will remember that wanting to be an expert and being an expert are 2 totally different things.
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jt512
Aug 31, 2010, 9:51 PM
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ncrockclimber wrote: From TheClimbingLab.com wrote: You will have one hour from the moment you hit Submit to edit a post. So, after Aric pitched a fit about having the right to delete all his material from this site, he starts a site that does not provide that right to users. That strikes me as being rather hypocritical. From TheClimbingLab.com wrote: The Lab Proctor No one knows who the Lab Proctor really is, and he prefers to keep it that way as he's not really a people person and doesn't feel qualified to participate in technical discussions about climbing gear. But he has a good bit of experience running web sites and forums and is willing to help out by performing those duties here, so we keep him around. Yeah, right - the mysterious "Lab Proctor" is not Aric.
And furthermore:
TheClimbingLab.com wrote: Administrative actions by the Lab Proctor may include, but are not limited to: warning, temporary ban, permanent ban, edit of the offending post, and deletion of the offending post. All decisions are final.
We know from experience that Aric habitually misinterprets criticism of his methods as an attack on him personally. So, what's going to happen, I suspect, is that Aric's forum is going to be very one sided. You have one hour after making a post to edit it, but the "Lab Proctor" has complete control over your post in perpetuity. Post something too critical of Aric's methodology, and your post will be edited or deleted without warning. Do it again, and you'll be barred, and maybe your content removed. I suspect that Aric has set up the forum in a manner that gives him totalitarian control over posts. I'll be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong, but based on observing his behavior with a modicum of authority on this site, I'm not too hopeful.
I do admire the fact that Aric states that the site will be non-profit and advertisement free. Hopefully, he'll stick to that.
Jay
(This post was edited by jt512 on Aug 31, 2010, 11:32 PM)
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spikeddem
Aug 31, 2010, 11:05 PM
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ncrockclimber wrote: From TheClimbingLab.com wrote: You will have one hour from the moment you hit Submit to edit a post. So, after Aric pitched a fit about having the right to delete all his material from this site, he starts a site that does not provide that right to users. That strikes me as being rather hypocritical.
Wow. "TheClimbingLab.com" MUST be joking.
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dingus
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That's FUNNY.
DMT
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curt
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TheClimbingLab wrote: ...The Climbing Lab has five forum rules and one guideline. The Lab Proctor, who shall remain anonymous to protect his or her impartiality, will moderate actively and without hesitation. If you break a forum rule, expect swift action from the Lab Proctor with little but a cursory explanation. He or she may warn you or show you the door straight away. The Lab Proctor is the sole judge of whether or not a rule has been broken. Administrative actions by the Lab Proctor may include, but are not limited to: warning, temporary ban, permanent ban, edit of the offending post, and deletion of the offending post. All decisions are final. Even the site owners will NEVER interfere with the Lab Proctor’s decisions...
I couldn't even make anything that good up. Unfortunately for Aric, undeserved arrogance and incompetence make bad bedfellows.
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technogeekery
Sep 1, 2010, 5:44 AM
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The nice thing about having your own website is that you can do as you like. The internet is not a democracy, there is no such thing as free speech, and you can be your own dictator, benevolent or not. Everyone else can sod off.
Whether they do or not depends on how you enforce your moderation.
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subantz
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ncrockclimber wrote: From TheClimbingLab.com wrote: You will have one hour from the moment you hit Submit to edit a post. So, after Aric pitched a fit about having the right to delete all his material from this site, he starts a site that does not provide that right to users. That strikes me as being rather hypocritical. From TheClimbingLab.com wrote: The Lab Proctor No one knows who the Lab Proctor really is, and he prefers to keep it that way as he's not really a people person and doesn't feel qualified to participate in technical discussions about climbing gear. But he has a good bit of experience running web sites and forums and is willing to help out by performing those duties here, so we keep him around. Yeah, right - the mysterious "Lab Proctor" is not Aric. I never appreciated or respected the quality of Aric's work as a moderator. He was often rude and all to ready to hide behind his "title" whenever he began to lose an argument or a mud slinging match. I was rather neutral on his work in the lab. It seemed that he had a lot of energy and a lot of time, and was more than willing to invest both in breaking stuff. He also did a good job making the climbing community aware of the quality issues with Aliens and other recalls. However, everyone needs to remember who Aric is. He is a weekend warrior with about 5 years of climbing experience, no climbing industry experience and no recent work history in engineering. Being passionate about climbing and reading a lot of books does not qualify you to design gear or talk as an authority about climbing related topics. I hope that Aric enjoys his new site. However, I also hope that he will remember that wanting to be an expert and being an expert are 2 totally different things.
They get that way by working and research, dipshit
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curt
Sep 1, 2010, 4:35 PM
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subantz wrote: experts do not become expert by sitting around and fingering their ass They get that way by working and research, dipshit
Experts also do not become expert by merely creating their own website proclaiming themselves to be one.
Curt
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spikeddem
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curt wrote: subantz wrote: experts do not become expert by sitting around and fingering their ass They get that way by working and research, dipshit Experts also do not become expert by merely creating their own website proclaiming themselves to be one. Curt
What if someone wants to become an expert at making their own website while sitting around and fingering their ass?
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spikeddem wrote: curt wrote: subantz wrote: experts do not become expert by sitting around and fingering their ass They get that way by working and research, dipshit Experts also do not become expert by merely creating their own website proclaiming themselves to be one. Curt What if someone wants to become an expert at making their own website while sitting around and fingering their ass?
The internet is full of sites like that.
Or so I am told...
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curt
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spikeddem wrote: curt wrote: subantz wrote: experts do not become expert by sitting around and fingering their ass They get that way by working and research, dipshit Experts also do not become expert by merely creating their own website proclaiming themselves to be one. Curt What if someone wants to become an expert at making their own website while sitting around and fingering their ass?
Then they'll probably end up with a pretty disgusting keyboard.
Curt
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spikeddem
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curt wrote: spikeddem wrote: curt wrote: subantz wrote: experts do not become expert by sitting around and fingering their ass They get that way by working and research, dipshit Experts also do not become expert by merely creating their own website proclaiming themselves to be one. Curt What if someone wants to become an expert at making their own website while sitting around and fingering their ass? Then they'll probably end up with a pretty disgusting keyboard. Curt
The price of being a true expert.
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jjanowia
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Best of luck with the new site!
This whole rigamaroll is best summarized by the Dude:
"No, Walter, you're not wrong. You're just an a$$hole."
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bill413
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spikeddem wrote: curt wrote: subantz wrote: experts do not become expert by sitting around and fingering their ass They get that way by working and research, dipshit Experts also do not become expert by merely creating their own website proclaiming themselves to be one. Curt What if someone wants to become an expert at making their own website while sitting around and fingering their ass?
"There's an app for that."
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jt512
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adatesman wrote: Guess this is my last post on RC.
In light of the fact that you've been saying that you're done posting here for over two weeks, I have changed the title of the thread accordingly.
Jay
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jt512 wrote: adatesman wrote: Guess this is my last post on RC. In light of the fact that you've been saying that you're done posting here for over two weeks, I have changed the title of the thread accordingly. Jay
ok, that was funny.
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