This garden has spoiled but I've gotten my fruits. The rest of these posts are irrelevant. Thanks to those who took time to contribute something positive. Toast-I respect your recent reply. Dugl-you are an ass. Josh-you da man, Summer-never stop growing son.

This is my last response to this thread.

This garden has spoiled but I've gotten my fruits. The rest of these posts are irrelevant. Thanks to those who took time to contribute something positive. Toast-I respect your recent reply. Dugl-you are an ass. Josh-you da man, Summer-never stop growing son.

This is my last response to this thread.

Spike--are you retarded? Tomatoes brother. And its not uncommon for people to plant fruit trees around gardens.

Got you to come back, sucka. You gotta have more constitution than that, brother. I see at least two more posts by you in this thread.

Yeah man you did! How'd you get so smart? I knew you'd understand everything, but I thought just incase everyone wasn't as smart as you, a bit of clarification would be constructive! But thanks bro! How are your vegetables?

kiss right in the middle suckah, where the shit comes out. that's puckering for you

I have a location to meet if you can be discrete ;)

C'mon Spike, that's not what the PM you sent me hinted at:


Must be some confusion here, huh?

**cat calls**

get a room.

Dice--again you speak with little information and your comment was a belittling smug reply "has it not occurred to you [amidst your reflection].." Yeah, I guess that could come across a little condescending. Although maybe you could lighten up a bit(?) I have a sarcastic / satirical sense of humor. Besides, you already took us down the "belittling smug reply path" with your response to "Toast in The Machine", among others.

Not only have I never in this thread claimed to be a "dirt-bag climber", as I've denoted I work for a living, but teach outdoor education and as a result live on the road, which gained an incredible amount of criticism because of gasoline use. Hey, I've lived on the road, and I've been a weekend warrior. Both take a lot of fuel. Most climbers drive in pursuit of their hobby. I commute by bus 30 miles each way for work, but I wouldn't if it weren't reasonably convenient. Why so defensive when someone challenges your worldview or whether or not being a climbing bum gives one "life skills"?

And it's not Ricky Lake style-defense bro, it's people being obnoxious and insulting out of left field misconstruing and making assumptions. I've just always thought calling someone a hater sounded trashy. Maybe that's just me.

Excuse me [who doesn't frequent forums often] for being rather upset how easily someone is willing *in an initial encounter with a complete stranger* to make asshole comments that are for nothing more than self-giggling and being a douche. Yes, obviously you don't visit forums often -- at least not this one. If you had you might be a little less defensive. And you might know a little about the people posting, where they are coming from, and where they generally land on the asshole and substantive response spectrums.

I login hoping to see some positive insight, which many have contributed to learning [which I am most interested in], and instead get people fixating on "dirt bag climber", "vegetables are in gardens", and "fuzzy dice". Yes, climbers are a colorful and poetic mob, aren't we? I've seen route names that would make a sailor blush, and names that deserve 5 stars on creativity alone.

Maybe you could try to be more respectful to people, especially when they are reaching from true intentions, rather than use it as a chance to solidify your ego. True. Respectful is always a worthy goal. Regarding ego though, a solid ego is not generally easily affronted, and doesn't need to justify choices to or seek approval from strangers. Again, maybe lighten up a little(?)

I would venture that in a real-life 1:1 encounter you'd be far less likely to be a smug ass to a complete stranger. Because some people have bigger arms than you. And some people are just fucking insane (I've met them first-hand) and carry guns and would likely drop you like nothing and sleep soundly at night. True, and you have me wondering if you are one of these people.

And again, you spoke in ignorance stating to "get out of Washington" as right now I am in a location where it is 70 degrees. Hater-aid party must be on another forum, seems many of you enjoy drinking its juice. Must be tasty. There's that hater word again. Uggh. If you mentioned that (your current geography) in your initial description I missed it. I can't go back and look, because you deleted it. Too bad really, because you sounded like a reasonable dude in the beginning. Good travels.

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Jesus man are you kidding me? Call me defensive yet you take a blue defense rhetoric to each line. Let's move on. How are your vegetables?

Actually dude I wanted to respond further and say thanks for your clarifications--I don't know the general attitude here. I do burn gasoline, I do not enjoy that and acknowledge that as a negative. Currently I will not be too heavily mobile the next few months. I was defensive yes, but that is because I felt attacked. Thanks for your response. Peace.

Pre-doobie:


Post-doobie:

When were the deletions? Pre/post/during?

That was the brown acid.

ps, at least I am man enough to open myself to new perspectives and not always being right. I acknowledge my many faults.

Toast, I imagine you are a strange man in real life and wonder what you have to contribute other than some preverted self-righteousness or snyde snickering to other peoples misery or frustration. Waste of time. You must have a compassionate wife, or you must be the breadwinner. Hopefully your children will grow up not to spite you. Maybe they'll have a heavy acid trip and realize it was just because their dad didn't get enough hugs as a kid and was unable to get over being picked on.