It would be nice if those who, like you, are willing to expose their lapses, could be spared the ad hominem attacks. It seems to be pretty hard to get analysis without some insults mixed in for good measure.

Yikes, well that's about as close to fully decking as you can get. Glad you got off light.

Glad this didn't end up worse for you both.

seriously, if you you ended up in a wheelchair for the next 50 years, can you imagine what your wife had to deal with ?

I’m not sure why you have so much hostility towards me and why you feel the need to contadick me. I know that rock climbing is dangerous and any mistake can kill. I’m sorry If the post made me sound as if I wasn’t extremely grateful that my wife saved my life. But that’s between me and wife. And again I think you are missing the point of the post. It was just for information. I know what I did wrong and don’t need to be ridiculed for it. I really dont want to start anything please.

I’m not sure why you have so much hostility towards me and why you feel the need to contadick me.

I can't believe nobody called him out on the word 'contadick'.

I can't believe nobody has called you out on your cheesetittery.

How's that BG? better? intent is still the same. Being able to post an accident without getting beaten down further for it would be a nice change.

I wonder if an OP complained like in A/I but in the Ladies room the result would have been different.. hmmm.

I wonder if an OP complained like in A/I but in the Ladies room the result would have been different.. hmmm.

In the ladies room it would not have even qualified as ad feminam attack. Saying 'you're lucky x didn't happen' is still not a personal attack.

i'm with jake on this one. i'm assuming a comment like that would have been edited in the ladies room. there's a difference between analyzing an accident and stupid remarks. these are highly moderated forums.

We may be able to highly regulate a forum, but let's face it, some participants are not capable of posting quality content.

If you feel those posts should be hidden, then go ahead and hide them. I agree that they are useless comments. We may be able to highly regulate a forum, but let's face it, some participants are not capable of posting quality content. I think jake is suggesting that some users need to be banned from the forum altogether, which would probably solve some of the problems.

However, the OP of this thread (jake) was the poster of ad hominem attacks in that accident thread. I still suggest that instead of attacking another user he alert a moderator or put use of jt512's killfile. He can only be responsible for his own behavior.

I've PM'd mods, DDT, J_ung for years and only during Jay's brief time in blue did something ever happen. Other mods and Daniel do not agree with how i think people should be treated if they post up their own accidents.

This is just how it is going to be and that is sad for folks who would like to share their story that the management allows for that.

When you post personal attacks, you aren't exactly acting as a model for how to treat people well. Instead, it seems to have a snowball effect on the content of the site.

Like I said, we all have to take responsibility for our own behavior. You can't control the garbage someone else posts up. We can only control our own garbage.

I only post insults and slander because Jake started it. I used to be very helpful and polite. It's Jake's fault.

If you feel those posts should be hidden, then go ahead and hide them. I agree that they are useless comments. We may be able to highly regulate a forum, but let's face it, some participants are not capable of posting quality content. I think jake is suggesting that some users need to be banned from the forum altogether, which would probably solve some of the problems.

However, the OP of this thread (jake) was the poster of ad hominem attacks in that accident thread. I still suggest that instead of attacking another user he alert a moderator or put use of jt512's killfile. He can only be responsible for his own behavior.

i'm making a general comment regarding jake's quote. nothing more. i do believe the comments would have been hidden. we hide stupid, of topic comments all the time in the ladies room

I agree that it is unnecessary and contributes absolutely nothing to the analysis. But it doesn't cross the line of wishing pain and suffering onto someone.

People get offended on RC.com all the time. If we were to hide every post that might hurt someone's feelings, there would be a ton of stuff in the recycling bin.

I rarely ever touch a thread unless I see a personal attack against a user, threats of violence or something way over the line. I am not a big fan of censorship, and I don't see a violation here. I do, however, see poor taste.

READ THIS before posting in Accident and Incident Analysis

Accident and Incident Analysis is the most serious forum on Rockclimbing.com. It has to be - it deals with the very difficult and painful subject of injury and death while climbing. The people mentioned in the threads here may not be known to you, they may not be known to anyone here on rockclimbing.com - but without a doubt they are, or were, known, liked and loved by somebody. In here, we discuss, first and foremost, events that happened to people - and we will maintain a respectful tone.

Now, "respectful" doesn't mean you're not allowed to say that an action leading up to an accident was a mistake, or even stupid. It simply means that you will treat this as the serious subject it is.

So, here are the rules:

1. Keep it about the accident, and leave your ego at the door.

Threads in this forum are not about you. They're not about me. They're not about the OP. They're not about making yourself look strong, or smart, or better than anyone else. They're about one thing, and one thing only: accidents. Discussing them, determining as best we can what went wrong, and doing our best to learn from them so that we don't make the same mistakes.

Flames, trolls, and any other posts that do not directly relate to discussion of the incident will be removed. If you are attacked personally by another user, please do not respond in this forum. If you feel you really must defend your honour, do it via PM or start a thread in the Campground. It does not belong here.

2. Make your posts factual, and as detailed as possible.

If you are the OP of a thread in this forum, then you are taking on a big responsibility. It is your job to provide as much information as you can about the incident in question. If you were an eyewitness, or at the same crag that day, then post what you can - even if it's simply a request for more information, that's fine. In the latter case, once more detail comes in it would be appreciated if you could amend your OP (and especially the title) to cover the key details.

If you are posting a link to a news article, then the rules are more strict. You need to give a brief summary of the details in the article - name(s), place, date and nature of accident as a bare minimum. OP's that are simply a link to an article without these details will be recycled on sight, and the user PM'd to try again.

If you are replying to a thread, the above rule does not mean you can't speculate. However, speculation must be clearly labelled as such, and based upon known facts from the case.

3. Respect the mods' decisions.

In this forum, at least, what the mods say goes. If a post of yours is removed, do not put up a new post asking why, or complaining. That will simply be removed too. Take it up in PM, or in Suggestions and Feedback. Once again, threads in here are about accidents, and accidents only.