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blueeyedclimber
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...I would ___________________________.
This thread http://www.rockclimbing.com/...orum_view_collapsed;about the various climbing magazines got me thinking about some ideas that have been kicking around my head, that i would like to see. Since I do not plan on EVER working for any magazine, anybody is free to steal these and pass them off as their own ideas.
Feel free to add your own ideas to this thread in the hopes that a magazine would "take" it and implement it.
1. Tech tip issue. One of my favorite parts about a magazine is reading the tech tips. How about replacing the gear review issue with a tech tip issue and have people submit tips and then have people review them. As far as replacing the gear review, come on, does anybody read it? I look at it for about 2 minutes and then toss it aside.
2. Regional Issue. One month out of the year, have a regional issue depending on where you live. This would certainly be a lot more work for the magazine, but would be super awesome. So, for example, I live in the Northeast. All the stories, areas covered, first ascents, pro climbers, etc. would all have to do with Northeast climbing. I would love to read a magazine dedicated to The Gunks, Cannon, Rumney, North Conway, etc. (There could be an option to pay extra and get other regional issuses, instead of just your own. Maybe get the whole collection).
That last one would probably be a logistical nightmare, but how sweet would that be? Other ideas?
Josh
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saint_john
Apr 28, 2011, 2:06 PM
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I would... have a centerfold in each issue.
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Apr 28, 2011, 2:17 PM
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If you ever decide to run a climbing magazine with those ideas, I would buy it.
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Apr 28, 2011, 2:46 PM
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blueeyedclimber wrote: ...I would ___________________________. This thread http://www.rockclimbing.com/...orum_view_collapsed;about the various climbing magazines got me thinking about some ideas that have been kicking around my head, that i would like to see. Since I do not plan on EVER working for any magazine, anybody is free to steal these and pass them off as their own ideas. Feel free to add your own ideas to this thread in the hopes that a magazine would "take" it and implement it. 1. Tech tip issue. One of my favorite parts about a magazine is reading the tech tips. How about replacing the gear review issue with a tech tip issue and have people submit tips and then have people review them. As far as replacing the gear review, come on, does anybody read it? I look at it for about 2 minutes and then toss it aside. 2. Regional Issue. One month out of the year, have a regional issue depending on where you live. This would certainly be a lot more work for the magazine, but would be super awesome. So, for example, I live in the Northeast. All the stories, areas covered, first ascents, pro climbers, etc. would all have to do with Northeast climbing. I would love to read a magazine dedicated to The Gunks, Cannon, Rumney, North Conway, etc. (There could be an option to pay extra and get other regional issuses, instead of just your own. Maybe get the whole collection). That last one would probably be a logistical nightmare, but how sweet would that be? Other ideas? Josh
Both of those are good ideas. I would add:
Do gear reviews that are actually useful. Don't just parrot manufacturer marketing, but take stuff into the field and do head-to-head comparisons of new stuff with popular gear that is widely used by climbers. The Cold Thistle blog is a model of what I'm talking about.
I envision this would involve reviewing a lot less stuff, but in a lot better detail. The cardinal rule should be NO FREE SAMPLES FOR REVIEWERS. Whatever they play with they have to give back, and buy with their own money if they like it. And publish negative reviews when that is warranted! (The last, I imagine, will almost never happen so long as climbing media is advertising driven, but I can dream.)
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kachoong
Apr 28, 2011, 4:07 PM
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The Regional Issue idea sounds like a good plan. Although there would be some regions with a two page issue and some warranting multiple issues.
I'd be interested in reading a monthly feature/article by an amateur journalist (with good pics or no pics) from a climbing trip anywhere in the world, to help give those starting out in writing some exposure.
Negative reviews (as suggested above) would be helpful. "Junk of the Month"... actually that's a terrible title. Maybe "Crap Confessions" or something to help readers know what NOT to buy. Obviously those companies would drop all further funding from the magazine and you would eventually go out of business... but what the hell.
Using waterproof paper would be neat. Especially in the centerfold.
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Carrick
Apr 28, 2011, 4:12 PM
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I like the idea of focusing on individual regions, but I don't think you need to go to the nightmare of distributing separately only to nearby regions. I think you could get the same type of thing done if each issue had 4-6 articles each focusing on different climbing areas.
A breakdown could be 1 local area (not a national destination), 3 sections at well known areas (like the Roadside Crag at RRG), and an international destination. Maybe it could even cover some local gym comps.
And I don't know good it is, but Climberism Magazine is focused on the Northeast. http://www.climberism.com
EDIT: +1 to amateur/guest writers, it's the only way you could get local stuff done.
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potreroed
Apr 28, 2011, 5:08 PM
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I would follow the format used by Denivel, the most excellent climbing magazine from Spain.
Every issue features one sport climbing area and one trad climbing area, a profile and interview with a personality--sometimes a famous climber but usually an obscure local who has earned the respect of his peers for one reason or another--comprehensive tech tips, a section devoted to important new routes throughout the country.
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kachoong
Apr 28, 2011, 5:36 PM
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I also believe a great feature would be to have an interview with an internet user personality. perhaps also give a rundown on all that's current in the internet world of climbing. Here's some article suggestions;
"The Holistic Guide to Successful Come Backs" by Dingus
"Behind the Scenes Look at Post Deletion and its Complexities" by Adatesman
"Arrogant Bastard; Did He Quit Climbing or Just Fall To His Death?" by Snoppy138
"Various Nozzles of Spray" by Camhead
"Hitting 20K; Piece of Piss or Harder Than Longs Peak?" by Dr Feelgood
"My Ten Best Resoles and How I Honey Badgered the Fuck Out of Them at J-Tree" by Caughtinside
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Apr 28, 2011, 5:43 PM
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May I suggest a column? They Always Come Back
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ENARE
Apr 28, 2011, 6:00 PM
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I don't know how many Time Magazine Reader there are in this forum; However, I read them religiously each week and always look forward to reading Joel Steins Column. I am into politics and all that sort of thing and I usually read the magazine cover to cover, However, I always read his column and it is one of the things that I look forward to doing. If you are familiar with his writing style, you will understand what I mean. He is witty, has a funny disposition and his topics, although related to current events, put a fun spin on them. For example: http://www.time.com/...9171,1999416,00.html
I would love to read climbing articles that integrate his kind of writing style. Otherwise, I like the ideas put forward by Kachoong:
kachoong wrote: I'd be interested in reading a monthly feature/article by an amateur journalist (with good pics or no pics) from a climbing trip anywhere in the world, to help give those starting out in writing some exposure. Negative reviews (as suggested above) would be helpful. "Junk of the Month"... actually that's a terrible title. Maybe "Crap Confessions" or something to help readers know what NOT to buy. Obviously those companies would drop all further funding from the magazine and you would eventually go out of business... but what the hell.
I don't know if the crap of the month would be a profitable idea; but maybe something that highlights that takes a more technical look at the gear and how if would benefit your climbing.
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Apr 28, 2011, 6:09 PM
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turn it into a xxx porn mag with hawt climbing girls who i will "audition" personally
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blueeyedclimber
Apr 28, 2011, 6:44 PM
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kachoong wrote: I also believe a great feature would be to have an interview with an internet user personality. perhaps also give a rundown on all that's current in the internet world of climbing. Here's some article suggestions; "The Holistic Guide to Successful Come Backs" by Dingus "Behind the Scenes Look at Post Deletion and its Complexities" by Adatesman "Arrogant Bastard; Did He Quit Climbing or Just Fall To His Death?" by Snoppy138 "Various Nozzles of Spray" by Camhead "Hitting 20K; Piece of Piss or Harder Than Longs Peak?" by Dr Feelgood "My Ten Best Resoles and How I Honey Badgered the Fuck Out of Them at J-Tree" by Caughtinside
I like that idea. If they had some type of internet section, it would almost be like having a regional section. I'd be like, "Hey Wonderwoman, come see what Camhead says! Oh, that Camhead! He's so crazy!  . I can't wait for Jt and Curt's debate over interpretation of the new Health care plan and the English Language in general, in next month's issue!" 
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Apr 28, 2011, 6:58 PM
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blueeyedclimber wrote: kachoong wrote: I also believe a great feature would be to have an interview with an internet user personality. perhaps also give a rundown on all that's current in the internet world of climbing. Here's some article suggestions; "The Holistic Guide to Successful Come Backs" by Dingus "Behind the Scenes Look at Post Deletion and its Complexities" by Adatesman "Arrogant Bastard; Did He Quit Climbing or Just Fall To His Death?" by Snoppy138 "Various Nozzles of Spray" by Camhead "Hitting 20K; Piece of Piss or Harder Than Longs Peak?" by Dr Feelgood "My Ten Best Resoles and How I Honey Badgered the Fuck Out of Them at J-Tree" by Caughtinside I like that idea. If they had some type of internet section, it would almost be like having a regional section. I'd be like, "Hey Wonderwoman, come see what Camhead says! Oh, that Camhead! He's so crazy! . I can't wait for Jt and Curt's debate over interpretation of the new Health care plan and the English Language in general, in next month's issue!" Josh
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rtwilli4
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I would make sure that when I printed an article that I included information about how to offset the environmental impact caused by climbing. A LOT of climbing areas around the world, and the surrounding communities and lands, are being misused and abused.
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kachoong wrote: I also believe a great feature would be to have an interview with an internet user personality. perhaps also give a rundown on all that's current in the internet world of climbing. Here's some article suggestions; "The Holistic Guide to Successful Come Backs" by Dingus "Behind the Scenes Look at Post Deletion and its Complexities" by Adatesman "Arrogant Bastard; Did He Quit Climbing or Just Fall To His Death?" by Snoppy138 "Various Nozzles of Spray" by Camhead "Hitting 20K; Piece of Piss or Harder Than Longs Peak?" by Dr Feelgood "My Ten Best Resoles and How I Honey Badgered the Fuck Out of Them at J-Tree" by Caughtinside
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Apr 29, 2011, 3:21 PM
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I think a study on this would be interesting. However, not something that I would expect to be included in every issue. I think it would get a bit boring and preachy to read an article every week about this.
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kachoong wrote: I also believe a great feature would be to have an interview with an internet user personality. perhaps also give a rundown on all that's current in the internet world of climbing. Here's some article suggestions; "The Holistic Guide to Successful Come Backs" by Dingus "Behind the Scenes Look at Post Deletion and its Complexities" by Adatesman "Arrogant Bastard; Did He Quit Climbing or Just Fall To His Death?" by Snoppy138 "Various Nozzles of Spray" by Camhead "Hitting 20K; Piece of Piss or Harder Than Longs Peak?" by Dr Feelgood "My Ten Best Resoles and How I Honey Badgered the Fuck Out of Them at J-Tree" by Caughtinside
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Apr 29, 2011, 6:35 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: kachoong wrote: I also believe a great feature would be to have an interview with an internet user personality. perhaps also give a rundown on all that's current in the internet world of climbing. Here's some article suggestions; "The Holistic Guide to Successful Come Backs" by Dingus "Behind the Scenes Look at Post Deletion and its Complexities" by Adatesman "Arrogant Bastard; Did He Quit Climbing or Just Fall To His Death?" by Snoppy138 "Various Nozzles of Spray" by Camhead "Hitting 20K; Piece of Piss or Harder Than Longs Peak?" by Dr Feelgood "My Ten Best Resoles and How I Honey Badgered the Fuck Out of Them at J-Tree" by Caughtinside MS , RC's most colorful troll master with un known climbing ability |
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ENARE wrote: I think a study on this would be interesting. However, not something that I would expect to be included in every issue. I think it would get a bit boring and preachy to read an article every week about this.
My point is that often times the climbing mag's send over a group of climbers, get a lot of good pictures and then leave. Some of the places we all like to read about have serious access issues, overuse issues, and climbers are destroying the environment.
I think it's unethical to print articles that only focus on the good side of the situation, and not the bad. If the climbing mag doesn't shed light on local issues, then the readers won't know that they exist. They will think it's just fine to go and climb and leave w/o taking into consideration their personal impact.
Sure no one wants to read about the negative impact of climbing in every issue, but if the writers and photographers only focus of getting their shit printed and if the editors only focus on selling their magazines then pretty soon a lot of the climbing areas they write about will be destroyed. That's not good for anyone.
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kachoong wrote: I also believe a great feature would be to have an interview with an internet user personality. perhaps also give a rundown on all that's current in the internet world of climbing. Here's some article suggestions; "The Holistic Guide to Successful Come Backs" by Dingus "Behind the Scenes Look at Post Deletion and its Complexities" by Adatesman "Arrogant Bastard; Did He Quit Climbing or Just Fall To His Death?" by Snoppy138 "Various Nozzles of Spray" by Camhead "Hitting 20K; Piece of Piss or Harder Than Longs Peak?" by Dr Feelgood "My Ten Best Resoles and How I Honey Badgered the Fuck Out of Them at J-Tree" by Caughtinside
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In addition to what has been said about adding more tech tips and such,
I would like to see a magazine focus more on local crags and climbers rather than pretty much only talking about far off places such as Africa or Australia. It should talk about the crags we have here in the states that are less well known, but provide excelent climbing.
Also, it should focus more on "normal" climbers. I don't really care about so-and-so's new 5.14 project on some island somewhere, I want to hear about normal people climbing exciting lines around here. Perhaps even providing detailed topos of the routes in the magazine as well.
I also enjoy reading about epics and "close calls" and would love to see more of that in a magazine.
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sungam wrote: kachoong wrote: I also believe a great feature would be to have an interview with an internet user personality. perhaps also give a rundown on all that's current in the internet world of climbing. Here's some article suggestions; "The Holistic Guide to Successful Come Backs" by Dingus "Behind the Scenes Look at Post Deletion and its Complexities" by Adatesman "Arrogant Bastard; Did He Quit Climbing or Just Fall To His Death?" by Snoppy138 "Various Nozzles of Spray" by Camhead "Hitting 20K; Piece of Piss or Harder Than Longs Peak?" by Dr Feelgood "My Ten Best Resoles and How I Honey Badgered the Fuck Out of Them at J-Tree" by Caughtinside Thread favouritism amongst the greenies!!!!!!! The BET is the teacherz pets!
You've gone completely mad, yes?
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Greggle wrote: sungam wrote: kachoong wrote: I also believe a great feature would be to have an interview with an internet user personality. perhaps also give a rundown on all that's current in the internet world of climbing. Here's some article suggestions; "The Holistic Guide to Successful Come Backs" by Dingus "Behind the Scenes Look at Post Deletion and its Complexities" by Adatesman "Arrogant Bastard; Did He Quit Climbing or Just Fall To His Death?" by Snoppy138 "Various Nozzles of Spray" by Camhead "Hitting 20K; Piece of Piss or Harder Than Longs Peak?" by Dr Feelgood "My Ten Best Resoles and How I Honey Badgered the Fuck Out of Them at J-Tree" by Caughtinside Thread favouritism amongst the greenies!!!!!!! The BET is the teacherz pets! You've gone completely mad, yes?
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