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shmancy
Mar 16, 2009, 10:01 PM
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As far as I know (and I live right down the street) this land is private. I don't think this area should be on the web without more research.
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Alpine07
Mar 16, 2009, 11:02 PM
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shmancy wrote: As far as I know (and I live right down the street) this land is private. I don't think this area should be on the web without more research.
Seeing as you don't seem to know a whole lot about it, from the way that you worded your post. Maybe you should do more research before you post on the web, that it shouldn't be on the web. Or else give us more details if you have them. Not just "as far as I know." Just because it is private land does not automatically make it illegal to climb there.
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funk
Jun 8, 2011, 5:13 PM
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Alpine, seeing that you don't seem to know a whole lot about basic laws regarding landowners and private property, when something is on private property, it means no trespassing; therefore the Southampton police have EVERY RIGHT TO ARREST YOU FOR TRESPASSING, if the owner of the (private) land decides to call the police. It's automatically illegal to step foot on that land without the owner's permission. Alpine, sit down son, you are wrong.
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TradEddie
Jun 9, 2011, 12:38 AM
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funk wrote: It's automatically illegal to step foot on that land without the owner's permission. Alpine, sit down son, you are wrong.
Spend 30 seconds on Google before posting something like that. Simply untrue.
http://law.onecle.com/.../00.035.003.000.html
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j_ung
Jun 9, 2011, 2:57 AM
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TradEddie wrote: funk wrote: It's automatically illegal to step foot on that land without the owner's permission. Alpine, sit down son, you are wrong. Spend 30 seconds on Google before posting something like that. Simply untrue. http://law.onecle.com/.../00.035.003.000.html
Surprising! Good find!
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funk
Jun 9, 2011, 12:29 PM
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you mean like this:
" (b.1) Simple trespasser.--
(1) A person commits an offense if, knowing that he is not licensed or privileged to do so, he enters or remains in any place for the purpose of:
(iii) defacing or damaging the premises.
that's chalk.
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sungam
Jun 9, 2011, 1:04 PM
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Um, I am not going to pretend to know the exact details of this climb area, but you are aware that some private land owners allow climbing to take place on their land, right? In fact, many very popular destination crags are on privite land.
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johnwesely
Jun 9, 2011, 1:12 PM
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sungam wrote: Um, I am not going to pretend to know the exact details of this climb area, but you are aware that some private land owners allow climbing to take place on their land, right? In fact, many very popular destination crags are on privite land.
No way.
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sungam
Jun 9, 2011, 1:14 PM
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johnwesely wrote: sungam wrote: Um, I am not going to pretend to know the exact details of this climb area, but you are aware that some private land owners allow climbing to take place on their land, right? In fact, many very popular destination crags are on privite land. No way.
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funk
Jun 9, 2011, 1:42 PM
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Yes, i'm aware that many climbing areas are on private land; however, i'm sure in about 90% of the time, agreements have been worked out between the land owner and user groups. in this instance, i don't think so.
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johnwesely
Jun 9, 2011, 1:57 PM
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funk wrote: Yes, i'm aware that many climbing areas are on private land; however, i'm sure in about 90% of the time, agreements have been worked out between the land owner and user groups. in this instance, i don't think so.
You don't think so or you don't know so.
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sungam
Jun 9, 2011, 2:00 PM
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funk wrote: Yes, i'm aware that many climbing areas are on private land; however, i'm sure in about 90% of the time, agreements have been worked out between the land owner and user groups. in this instance, i don't think so.
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funk
Jun 9, 2011, 2:49 PM
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i wasn't chastising alpine for for not knowing what's going on, as much as his ignorance for jumping on someone (a local) who asked that this location be kept off the internet due to the (unknown and potential) access issues.
Had he said, Yeah, it makes sense that an area with insecure access shouldn't be posted on the internet until something has been worked out, rather than attacking Mr. Shmancy for politely asking to refrain from further internet discussions, i wouldn't have been quick to jump on him for acting like a juvenile (but then again, he may be 16, so it's cool - just grow up).
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sungam
Jun 9, 2011, 2:58 PM
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He didn't say that it shouldn't be put online, he said it should be taken off. I think someone should PM mushroomsamba and see whether he/she is in the know. It's fairly likely that they are not an idiot, and wouldn't have gone through all the effort of uploading that information without knowing what the access situation is.
Either way, if it is up I'm on the boat that says it's likely that access is in place, and it shouldn't all be deleted unless we find out it isn't. If we deleted every crag that was on privite land that didn't have a thread attached in which someone clearly stated the access arrangement... Well, quite a lot of crags would be deleted needlessly.
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funk
Jun 9, 2011, 3:25 PM
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bottom line: if your spot is private - keep it a secret, keep your mouth shut, leave no trace, brush your holds when you're done, park out of the way where you're not drawing attention to all of your NRG, RRG, GNKX, 5.10, THULE, MadRock, Powerbar, ClifBar, LunaBar, MountainGear, Trek, LaSportiva, Scarpa, HB, rock rat, Sierra Designs, Marmot, sierra club, Mammut, rockshox stickers. posers.
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johnwesely
Jun 9, 2011, 3:31 PM
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funk wrote: bottom line: if your spot is private - keep it a secret, keep your mouth shut, leave no trace, brush your holds when you're done, park out of the way where you're not drawing attention to all of your NRG, RRG, GNKX, 5.10, THULE, MadRock, Powerbar, ClifBar, LunaBar, MountainGear, Trek, LaSportiva, Scarpa, HB, rock rat, Sierra Designs, Marmot, sierra club, Mammut, rockshox stickers. posers.
Now that's brand loyalty.
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TradEddie
Jun 9, 2011, 3:44 PM
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drector wrote: funk wrote: i [sic] don't think so. There is a big difference from thinking something and knowing it. I think this is the part of the law that is important: § 3503. Criminal trespass. (a) Buildings and occupied structures.-- (1) A person commits an offense if, knowing that he is not licensed or privileged to do so, he:... Notice that it says you are trespassing if you are not licensed or privileged. There is no automatic breaking of the law when you step on private land, as you suggested earlier.
Not that I disagree with your conclusion, but that section applies only to Buildings or occupied structures.
The section that applies to outdoors says that unless you are asked to leave and refuse, or the land is posted, or fenced to manifestly prevent intruders, it is not trespassing unless there is some more malicious intent. Couldn't judge on whether chalk on rocks count as defacing premises.
Basic reading comprehension folks, please.
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funk
Jun 9, 2011, 3:47 PM
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posers with all of the stickers who don't want to progress beyond trad climbing 5.9 are the worst.
gym rats who barely climb outside and when they do, they spray about the green tape problem left of the cave (they'd get some cred if they actually tried the problems in the cave), people decked out in windstopper softshells, big sexy gregory packs, shiny snatchlinks and wind chimes, who take an hour to set up a top rope when there are bolts to clip into are just as bad.
did anyone see the new southpark last night when everything seems like shit to stan when he turned ten. i felt the same way when i turned 17 and realized that there are those who climb and those who are rock climbers and there's a massive chasm between the two parties. 14 years later i'm 10x more bitter and 15x stronger. hide your projects kids.
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johnwesely
Jun 9, 2011, 4:17 PM
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funk wrote: posers with all of the stickers who don't want to progress beyond trad climbing 5.9 are the worst. gym rats who barely climb outside and when they do, they spray about the green tape problem left of the cave (they'd get some cred if they actually tried the problems in the cave), people decked out in windstopper softshells, big sexy gregory packs, shiny snatchlinks and wind chimes, who take an hour to set up a top rope when there are bolts to clip into are just as bad. did anyone see the new southpark last night when everything seems like shit to stan when he turned ten. i felt the same way when i turned 17 and realized that there are those who climb and those who are rock climbers and there's a massive chasm between the two parties. 14 years later i'm 10x more bitter and 15x stronger. hide your projects kids.
You sound delightful, a true gentleman.
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funk
Jun 9, 2011, 4:26 PM
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thank you for the compliment. i take it you're on your way outside to scrape the stickers off your car...
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johnwesely
Jun 9, 2011, 4:28 PM
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funk wrote: thank you for the compliment. i take it you're on your way outside to scrape the stickers off your car...
If only I had a car.
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altelis
Jun 9, 2011, 5:03 PM
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funk wrote: posers with all of the stickers who don't want to progress beyond trad climbing 5.9 are the worst. gym rats who barely climb outside and when they do, they spray about the green tape problem left of the cave (they'd get some cred if they actually tried the problems in the cave), people decked out in windstopper softshells, big sexy gregory packs, shiny snatchlinks and wind chimes, who take an hour to set up a top rope when there are bolts to clip into are just as bad. did anyone see the new southpark last night when everything seems like shit to stan when he turned ten. i felt the same way when i turned 17 and realized that there are those who climb and those who are rock climbers and there's a massive chasm between the two parties. 14 years later i'm 10x more bitter and 15x stronger. hide your projects kids.
i actually find this really interesting, and it kinda resonates with how i feel. or rather, how i felt when i was 17. now that i'm 28 i feel i've matured a bit beyond that perspective....
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funk
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i take it you've changed teams then. it's cool. as long as you still bring it. i still find posers and gear whores obnoxious.
reference Jadakiss' "Who's Real".
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sungam
Jun 9, 2011, 5:33 PM
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funk wrote: bottom line: if your spot is private - keep it a secret, keep your mouth shut, leave no trace, brush your holds when you're done, park out of the way where you're not drawing attention to all of your NRG, RRG, GNKX, 5.10, THULE, MadRock, Powerbar, ClifBar, LunaBar, MountainGear, Trek, LaSportiva, Scarpa, HB, rock rat, Sierra Designs, Marmot, sierra club, Mammut, rockshox stickers. posers.
But here was me thinking that if the crag is on privite land you contact the land owner and arrange access.
Edit to add: You frenched enigma, didn't you?
Did you not see what happened to ceebo when he did that? You guys gotta learn to say "no, you crazy uncompreshesible psycho bitch!".
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