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RDouz


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I agree, I did ask if others have done this. Yes I have done this and I also have done free-solo. There has been an evaluation conducted here in this forum by a number of members and the outcome is unanimous. I am convinced that the intent is to guide me in a safer direction. Those of you new to climbing whether young or old, it is not my intent to put you at risk by offering this information. Climb safely.


healyje


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And look, if you've been doing this you're more than up for aid-soloing. It moves faster, gets you more places, and is broadly applicable from small crags to El Cap. You should get after it and let us know your impressions after you get some solid yardage in doing it.


RDouz


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I am looking to learn. I want to climb with some experienced people. How do I get in the "circle of trust?"


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RDouz wrote:
I am looking to learn. I want to climb with some experienced people. How do I get in the "circle of trust?"

Beer


healyje


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Post up in the 'Partners' section of various forums like here, MountainProject.com, neclimbs.com, etc. would probably be the best bet.


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RDouz wrote:
I am looking to learn. I want to climb with some experienced people. How do I get in the "circle of trust?"

Pull your head out of your ass. No one wants some person who can't listen killing them. Then make some personal contacts with locals in your area, but upbeat and positive. Unlike my post.

Sorry, just being honest. Have fun, be safe
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Anyone work ropeless aid? I have done single pitch training of ropeless aid where I transition from anchors. I have used this to work placement and anchor building. I typically transition with three anchors. Anyone take this multi-pitch?

RDouz, please tell me you're okay, and this wasn't you: http://gunks.com/...pics/58588#Post58588

GO


RDouz


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Yes, I am well, thank you.


RDouz


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Rope soloing, what guiding outfit teaches this?


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Rope soloing, what guiding outfit teaches this?

I think it would be hard to find a guiding company that would teach you rope soloing.


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coastal_climber wrote:
I think it would be hard to find a guiding company that would teach you rope soloing.

It should never be taught, either you arrive at it on your own when the time is right or you don't.


RDouz


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You deleted your last reply?

I realize that climbing can be dangerous but it hasn't cornered the market. There are many other professionally taught skills that are dangerous. Some of these are jobs required by society. Why do you believe this? Aren't you suggesting that everyone should reinvent the wheel?


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RDouz wrote:
You deleted your last reply?

I don't believe so...

RDouz wrote:
I realize that climbing can be dangerous but it hasn't cornered the market. There are many other professionally taught skills that are dangerous. Some of these are jobs required by society.

Rock climbing isn't one of them.

RDouz wrote:
Why do you believe this? Aren't you suggesting that everyone should reinvent the wheel?

Because if you don't come to it on your own and sort out what works specifically for you then you aren't ready to do it.


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RDouz


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The deleted post, paraphrasing, basically said that any sensible guiding service would not teach this. And then it went on to say that it should be done on your own, when you are ready (one).

I realize that rope-soloing is a skill that requires a greater knowledge base. Perhaps a measured set of prerequisites would give a guiding outfit more confidence. Ultimately they don't want to send climbers into the wild with the belief that they are ready, when ultimately, they are not.
There are a set of core techniques that are universal. Certainly these skills can be provided by a guiding outfit. The guiding outfit can also caution the climbers on the subjective and objective hazards of climbing alone. I realize that there is a responsibility to prevent people from doing dangerous things but there is also a responsibility to help people that are already doing these things. There are many people rope-soloing, maybe it is time to provide professional channels for progression.


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healyje wrote:
RDouz wrote:
I realize that climbing can be dangerous but it hasn't cornered the market. There are many other professionally taught skills that are dangerous. Some of these are jobs required by society.

Rock climbing isn't one of them.

RDouz wrote:
Why do you believe this? Aren't you suggesting that everyone should reinvent the wheel?

Because if you don't come to it on your own and sort out what works specifically for you then you aren't ready to do it.


Agree 100%

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healyje


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RDouz wrote:
The deleted post, paraphrasing, basically said that any sensible guiding service would not teach this. And then it went on to say that it should be done on your own, when you are ready (one).

Sorry about that, don't recall deleting one, but glad to hear a recap.

RDouz wrote:
I realize that rope-soloing is a skill that requires a greater knowledge base.


I would say that it requires a greater experience base rather than a knowledge one.

RDouz wrote:
Perhaps a measured set of prerequisites would give a guiding outfit more confidence. Ultimately they don't want to send climbers into the wild with the belief that they are ready, when ultimately, they are not.

Here I would say the 'prerequisites' vary from individual to individual and I couldn't realistically set them down and I have a BS in industrial education.

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...maybe it is time to provide professional channels for progression.

Hmmm. Roped soloing isn't a 'professional' activity and 99.9% of guides do not have the requisite experience to teach it even if so inclined. Aside from that, I don't personally believe 'guides' represent any particular font of climbing expertise, professional or otherwise. But I'm guessing they are all smart enough to know not to attempt to teach roped soloing.


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RDouz wrote:
Anyone work ropeless aid? I have done single pitch training of ropeless aid where I transition from anchors. I have used this to work placement and anchor building. I typically transition with three anchors. Anyone take this multi-pitch?

Umm, no. It sounds like an excellent way to take a slow activity, aid climbing, and make it ever slower. Let's face it, if every placement has to be a bomber anchor, it's going to take alot longer then a body weight aid placement, and you'll be severely limited where you can practice such an activity.

I've done roped solo free and aid climbing, I've never been tempted to leave the rope in the truck and carry a rack to the rock. Asside from the mention of speed climbing, and yes not having to rap and clean each pitch would be a big time saver.

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