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joemac3
Aug 1, 2011, 6:07 PM
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I am not sure if this is the proper forum, if it isn't let me know and I will post it in the proper one…
I have a rope bag but for the life of me can not get the rope coiled properly in it to allow me to clip the center into my safety and toss the rope (still in the bag) to the bottom and have it uncoil properly. It almost always ends up half way down and all the rope comes out of the bag (I do remember to tie the end of the rope to the bag) and the rope is tangled up or the rope stays in the bag because the tangle is too large to get through the opening (when I tighten the opening up a bit) How do you properly coil a rope in the bag to allow for a nice uncoiling while still protecting the rope in the bag. Thank you all for your advice.
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gmggg
Aug 1, 2011, 6:10 PM
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joemac3 wrote: I am not sure if this is the proper forum, if it isn't let me know and I will post it in the proper one… I have a rope bag but for the life of me can not get the rope coiled properly in it to allow me to clip the center into my safety and toss the rope (still in the bag) to the bottom and have it uncoil properly. It almost always ends up half way down and all the rope comes out of the bag (I do remember to tie the end of the rope to the bag) and the rope is tangled up or the rope stays in the bag because the tangle is too large to get through the opening (when I tighten the opening up a bit) How do you properly coil a rope in the bag to allow for a nice uncoiling while still protecting the rope in the bag. Thank you all for your advice.
The first step is to not sport rappel.
Step two is to not sport rappel.
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joemac3
Aug 1, 2011, 6:27 PM
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gmggg wrote: joemac3 wrote: I am not sure if this is the proper forum, if it isn't let me know and I will post it in the proper one… I have a rope bag but for the life of me can not get the rope coiled properly in it to allow me to clip the center into my safety and toss the rope (still in the bag) to the bottom and have it uncoil properly. It almost always ends up half way down and all the rope comes out of the bag (I do remember to tie the end of the rope to the bag) and the rope is tangled up or the rope stays in the bag because the tangle is too large to get through the opening (when I tighten the opening up a bit) How do you properly coil a rope in the bag to allow for a nice uncoiling while still protecting the rope in the bag. Thank you all for your advice. The first step is to not sport rappel. Step two is to not sport rappel.
I don't sport rappel. It is for when I set up a top rope (I take friends/family climbing and they aren't able to lead)I also sometimes enjoy climbing in a large group and teach the rock climbing merit badge for my old boy scout troop.
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caughtinside
Aug 1, 2011, 6:33 PM
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Well then do like everyone else does and take the rope out of the bag before you toss it down.
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joemac3
Aug 1, 2011, 6:47 PM
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caughtinside wrote: Well then do like everyone else does and take the rope out of the bag before you toss it down.
I have been, I just don't like my rope landing in the dirt (especially at Joshua Tree) or a few places one end, ends up in a bush or tree just out of reach of the ground. Just was wondering if there was a proper way to coil the rope that would get it to work.
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sungam
Aug 1, 2011, 6:59 PM
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Nope. No special way of coiling it. Just take it out of the bag, toss it down, and if need be follow it on rappel to get it unstuck.
If it is just sitting on top of the dirt and isn't being stepping on or anything then it probobly isn't a big deal.
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gmggg
Aug 1, 2011, 7:23 PM
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joemac3 wrote: gmggg wrote: joemac3 wrote: I am not sure if this is the proper forum, if it isn't let me know and I will post it in the proper one… I have a rope bag but for the life of me can not get the rope coiled properly in it to allow me to clip the center into my safety and toss the rope (still in the bag) to the bottom and have it uncoil properly. It almost always ends up half way down and all the rope comes out of the bag (I do remember to tie the end of the rope to the bag) and the rope is tangled up or the rope stays in the bag because the tangle is too large to get through the opening (when I tighten the opening up a bit) How do you properly coil a rope in the bag to allow for a nice uncoiling while still protecting the rope in the bag. Thank you all for your advice. The first step is to not sport rappel. Step two is to not sport rappel. I don't sport rappel. It is for when I set up a top rope (I take friends/family climbing and they aren't able to lead)I also sometimes enjoy climbing in a large group and teach the rock climbing merit badge for my old boy scout troop.
In that case you could flake your rope out at the top of the climb on to your tarp (If you're in JT the top outs can be sandy too!) Then thread your rope through your "safety" and slowly feed it down so that it hangs just above the ground (careful! Don't let it touch). Next, attach the other end of the rope to your bag and slowly lower that down till it's on the ground.
Sorry for assuming you were sport rappelling. I haven't heard the word "safety" used in conjunction with anything at the top of a rock climb before and it sounded like something one of those guys would make up.
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JoeHamilton
Aug 1, 2011, 7:30 PM
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joemac3 wrote: caughtinside wrote: Well then do like everyone else does and take the rope out of the bag before you toss it down. I have been, I just don't like my rope landing in the dirt (especially at Joshua Tree) or a few places one end, ends up in a bush or tree just out of reach of the ground. Just was wondering if there was a proper way to coil the rope that would get it to work.
I bring my crash pad, shoe rug, with me when out top roping with my daughter. 1 on breaks she likes using the crash pad as a couch. 2 clean shoes stick better. What I do is after anchors are set I take my rope out of the bag un coil the wrap, then lower the rope rather then toss it into the wind. All the rope lowers to the pad or rug which ever is placed next to the wall. Sorry that doesn't answer you question, but it is a suggestion. Also maybe look up sport rap rope coiling, the answer might be in there.
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Aug 1, 2011, 7:43 PM
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Ooh. I thought of another idea. You could get a large diameter wooden dowel, say 4-6 inches, drill two 12mm holes in the center, and some pilot holes perfectly centered at the end. hen take your rope bag and punch two holes at the ends of the longest dimension and add grommets. Put the dowel in the rope bag and on one end put a shoulder bolt with bushing through the grommet into the dowel. On the other end put a small crank arm with a bushing through the grommet into the dowel.
Now, you can thread the ends of the rope through the holes (one end per hole) and crank your rope with the handle to coil everything up. When you get to the top of your crag you'll notice that you have the middle of your rope right there at the end of the coil. All you have to do is clip it in and roll your pack down the hill.
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acorneau
Aug 1, 2011, 8:31 PM
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Hang the rope bag off your harness and let the rope pay out as you rappel down.
If it starts to get tangled then lock off your rappel and fix it.
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JoeHamilton
Aug 1, 2011, 8:32 PM
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You sir, should market that. Lol, why ask why? When We know most people will give an asinine response. The guy asked a real question.
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Aug 1, 2011, 9:30 PM
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gmggg wrote: Ooh. I thought of another idea. You could get a large diameter wooden dowel, say 4-6 inches, drill two 12mm holes in the center, and some pilot holes perfectly centered at the end. hen take your rope bag and punch two holes at the ends of the longest dimension and add grommets. Put the dowel in the rope bag and on one end put a shoulder bolt with bushing through the grommet into the dowel. On the other end put a small crank arm with a bushing through the grommet into the dowel. Now, you can thread the ends of the rope through the holes (one end per hole) and crank your rope with the handle to coil everything up. When you get to the top of your crag you'll notice that you have the middle of your rope right there at the end of the coil. All you have to do is clip it in and roll your pack down the hill.
That's what I do. Works like a charm.
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Aug 1, 2011, 9:42 PM
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Yes, there is a special way to coil the rope in a rope bag if you are going to throw it. If you have one of those long cylindrical rope bags that have a tight opeing at one end, you need to coil the rope in small loops and stack them in the rope bag a few at a time, tricky. Make the coils small so that they flake out with no resistance as they uncoil. Using a rope bag with a larger mouth is generally easier, and you just need to make sure the coils are smaller then the mouth of the rope bag and stacked neatly in succession. If you want a cool durable rope bags, check out the Fish Chum Bucket or Fish Snake Charmer, they rock.
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Aug 2, 2011, 3:43 AM
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It's not really a 'coil' at all, it's more of a 'stack' right in the bag. I think of it in the same way that I stuff a boating/kayaking throw rope, it's just a lot longer, heavier, and stiffer.) Here's as good as I can describe it:
To prepare, tie a byte & clip the centre point, then flake out the rope 'ontop' of that (isolate it first, to avoid knotting the rope) when fully stacked, the ends will be 'on top' of the flaked rope.
Tie the ends to the inside of the bag (or through the bottom), hold the bag open, and 'hand-over-hand' the two strands into the bag - it will 'stack' as it's put in. This is much easier with a second person holding the bag open, but it can be done alone. You have to reach in to 'press' the stack into the bag every so often lest it overflow, but when you're done, the rope will be 'stacked', in the bag, with the centre point at the top.
Clip it and throw - works like a charm.
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billcoe_
Aug 2, 2011, 2:00 PM
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What brand of rope bag?
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billcoe_
Aug 2, 2011, 2:01 PM
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What make/model/size and length of rope?
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gmggg
Aug 3, 2011, 12:51 PM
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How tall's the crag?
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Rocquestar
Aug 3, 2011, 11:01 PM
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Yeah, okay, I'm a Canadian IT guy.
I misspelled 'bight'. I did not, however, misspell 'centre'. You are correct, that you are from the one place in the world that misspells that word.
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potreroed
Aug 4, 2011, 4:18 AM
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Your problem is your insisting in coiling the rope. Don't coil--just stuff it into the bag. But seriously, why deal with a bag at all--just throw that sucker down
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Aug 4, 2011, 3:10 PM
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Ed nailed it -- stuff the rope in the bag instead of coiling, then it will feed out smooth as silk.
As evidenced by many of the comments above, for a lot of climbing a rope bag is just going to be an unnecessary encumbrance, and I agree.
However for what you are doing (setting up TR's), a rope bag is a great idea. You can throw down your bag and it will be unaffected by wind, and it will crash right through tree limbs that would catch a loose rope.
Tie both ends of your rope to the empty bag. Simultaneously feed or stuff the rope (effectively two ropes since you are working with both ends) into the bag, without coiling it in any way. Just let it pile on top of itself as you feed it into the bag. Don't stuff the whole rope in the bag at one time, work your way from the ends toward the middle of the rope. When you're done stuffing you will be holding the midpoint of the rope, tie that off to the bag.
This is just like stuffing a river rescue throw rope.
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joemac3
Aug 4, 2011, 11:49 PM
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Sorry for taking so long to respond
rope bag: Black Diamond Superslacker Rope Bag
rope: I can't remember but I believe its a mammut
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clc
Aug 5, 2011, 3:48 PM
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Don't coil your rope into the rope bag. Thats your problem, it will cluster every time. Just flake the rope in.
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billcoe_
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joemac3 wrote: rope bag: Black Diamond Superslacker Rope Bag rope: I can't remember but I believe its a mammut
It's you.
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