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jomagam
Oct 19, 2011, 6:24 AM
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Which is best to help recuperate joints, tendon and muscles after climbing: cold water, hot water, alternate the two, or something else ? Any recommendation on temperatures ?
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adelphos
Oct 19, 2011, 10:22 PM
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My thoughts are probably for the initial injury period, you want to ice up the area. Heat increases blood flow and swelling which in turn can widen the tears and increase the damage. After the swelling has stopped, you can introduce heat to increase flexibility. Some athletes alternate between hot and cold. Adelphos
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Oct 20, 2011, 2:37 AM
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For icing: If you do a water bath around 50F is good. If you are using Ice/cold packs take care with how cold they are, and do not apply directly to skin.
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jakedatc
Oct 20, 2011, 2:41 AM
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Player wrote: For icing: If you do a water bath around 50F is good. If you are using Ice/cold packs take care with how cold they are, and do not apply directly to skin. We try not to go below 55 with our cold whirlpools in the athletic training room.. it is still really fucking cold. Ice can be put directly on the skin unless you have a sensitivity to it... gel packs maybe a thin pillow case but much more won't let enough cold through cold for after. don't usually use heat unless its for flexibility
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jomagam
Oct 20, 2011, 3:49 AM
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adelphos wrote: for the initial injury period, you want to ice up the area. I don't think I have an injury in the usual sense of the word. Nothing really hurts.
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jomagam
Oct 20, 2011, 3:54 AM
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jakedatc wrote: Player wrote: For icing: If you do a water bath around 50F is good. If you are using Ice/cold packs take care with how cold they are, and do not apply directly to skin. We try not to go below 55 with our cold whirlpools in the athletic training room.. it is still really fucking cold. Ice can be put directly on the skin unless you have a sensitivity to it... gel packs maybe a thin pillow case but much more won't let enough cold through cold for after. don't usually use heat unless its for flexibility I only ice my arm up to my elbow, so I can comfortably go below 55 if that helps. Do I take that you only recommend the cold treatment ?
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jakedatc
Oct 20, 2011, 4:33 AM
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jomagam wrote: jakedatc wrote: Player wrote: For icing: If you do a water bath around 50F is good. If you are using Ice/cold packs take care with how cold they are, and do not apply directly to skin. We try not to go below 55 with our cold whirlpools in the athletic training room.. it is still really fucking cold. Ice can be put directly on the skin unless you have a sensitivity to it... gel packs maybe a thin pillow case but much more won't let enough cold through cold for after. don't usually use heat unless its for flexibility I only ice my arm up to my elbow, so I can comfortably go below 55 if that helps. Do I take that you only recommend the cold treatment ? for just your arms then a bit colder will be ok for best results i'd do cold for a few days post activity.. after that heat would be ok. for myself sometimes comfort beats out best results and i jump in the hot tub... so i'm sore/tight a bit longer i deal with it. (for me it's my legs from cycling than climbing)
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After each day I climb, I soak my hands in a bucket of hot water with Epsom salts as per Dr.'s orders. Seems to keep my fingers from swelling so much.
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jakedatc wrote: Player wrote: For icing: If you do a water bath around 50F is good. If you are using Ice/cold packs take care with how cold they are, and do not apply directly to skin. We try not to go below 55 with our cold whirlpools in the athletic training room.. it is still really fucking cold. Ice can be put directly on the skin unless you have a sensitivity to it... gel packs maybe a thin pillow case but much more won't let enough cold through cold for after. don't usually use heat unless its for flexibility
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isahnappies
Nov 28, 2011, 3:07 PM
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What pack are you using? Does it have to be precised on temperature especially in hotness or just your skin can adapt...
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jakedatc wrote: for myself sometimes comfort beats out best results and i jump in the hot tub... so i'm sore/tight a bit longer i deal with it. (for me it's my legs from cycling than climbing) If you hold a cold beer while sitting in a hot tub you get the best of both worlds.
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shockabuku wrote: jakedatc wrote: Player wrote: For icing: If you do a water bath around 50F is good. If you are using Ice/cold packs take care with how cold they are, and do not apply directly to skin. We try not to go below 55 with our cold whirlpools in the athletic training room.. it is still really fucking cold. Ice can be put directly on the skin unless you have a sensitivity to it... gel packs maybe a thin pillow case but much more won't let enough cold through cold for after. don't usually use heat unless its for flexibility what the hell is the point of icing something if you put a freaking thick towel under it that lets no cold to the body part?? it's like trying to warm up next to a fire but standing 15' away Ice bag.. directly on the skin unless you have reactions to it ice gel packs.. thin pillow case this is standard protocol for PT clinics and AT rooms.
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olderic wrote: jakedatc wrote: for myself sometimes comfort beats out best results and i jump in the hot tub... so i'm sore/tight a bit longer i deal with it. (for me it's my legs from cycling than climbing) If you hold a cold beer while sitting in a hot tub you get the best of both worlds. This is good advice, all of you young bastards listen up!
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chadnsc wrote: olderic wrote: jakedatc wrote: for myself sometimes comfort beats out best results and i jump in the hot tub... so i'm sore/tight a bit longer i deal with it. (for me it's my legs from cycling than climbing) If you hold a cold beer while sitting in a hot tub you get the best of both worlds. This is good advice, all of you young bastards listen up! If you freeze your feet in a block of ice, and then dump boiling water on your head... on average, you are quite comfortable.
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jakedatc wrote: shockabuku wrote: jakedatc wrote: Player wrote: For icing: If you do a water bath around 50F is good. If you are using Ice/cold packs take care with how cold they are, and do not apply directly to skin. We try not to go below 55 with our cold whirlpools in the athletic training room.. it is still really fucking cold. Ice can be put directly on the skin unless you have a sensitivity to it... gel packs maybe a thin pillow case but much more won't let enough cold through cold for after. don't usually use heat unless its for flexibility what the hell is the point of icing something if you put a freaking thick towel under it that lets no cold to the body part?? it's like trying to warm up next to a fire but standing 15' away Ice bag.. directly on the skin unless you have reactions to it ice gel packs.. thin pillow case this is standard protocol for PT clinics and AT rooms. Cold isn't something that moves. Heat (energy) does.
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shockabuku wrote: jakedatc wrote: shockabuku wrote: jakedatc wrote: Player wrote: For icing: If you do a water bath around 50F is good. If you are using Ice/cold packs take care with how cold they are, and do not apply directly to skin. We try not to go below 55 with our cold whirlpools in the athletic training room.. it is still really fucking cold. Ice can be put directly on the skin unless you have a sensitivity to it... gel packs maybe a thin pillow case but much more won't let enough cold through cold for after. don't usually use heat unless its for flexibility what the hell is the point of icing something if you put a freaking thick towel under it that lets no cold to the body part?? it's like trying to warm up next to a fire but standing 15' away Ice bag.. directly on the skin unless you have reactions to it ice gel packs.. thin pillow case this is standard protocol for PT clinics and AT rooms. Cold isn't something that moves. Heat (energy) does. thanks
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shockabuku wrote: jakedatc wrote: shockabuku wrote: jakedatc wrote: Player wrote: For icing: If you do a water bath around 50F is good. If you are using Ice/cold packs take care with how cold they are, and do not apply directly to skin. We try not to go below 55 with our cold whirlpools in the athletic training room.. it is still really fucking cold. Ice can be put directly on the skin unless you have a sensitivity to it... gel packs maybe a thin pillow case but much more won't let enough cold through cold for after. don't usually use heat unless its for flexibility what the hell is the point of icing something if you put a freaking thick towel under it that lets no cold to the body part?? it's like trying to warm up next to a fire but standing 15' away Ice bag.. directly on the skin unless you have reactions to it ice gel packs.. thin pillow case this is standard protocol for PT clinics and AT rooms. Cold isn't something that moves. Heat (energy) does. Cold moves via conduction.
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jakedatc wrote: shockabuku wrote: jakedatc wrote: shockabuku wrote: jakedatc wrote: Player wrote: For icing: If you do a water bath around 50F is good. If you are using Ice/cold packs take care with how cold they are, and do not apply directly to skin. We try not to go below 55 with our cold whirlpools in the athletic training room.. it is still really fucking cold. Ice can be put directly on the skin unless you have a sensitivity to it... gel packs maybe a thin pillow case but much more won't let enough cold through cold for after. don't usually use heat unless its for flexibility what the hell is the point of icing something if you put a freaking thick towel under it that lets no cold to the body part?? it's like trying to warm up next to a fire but standing 15' away Ice bag.. directly on the skin unless you have reactions to it ice gel packs.. thin pillow case this is standard protocol for PT clinics and AT rooms. Cold isn't something that moves. Heat (energy) does. thanks [image]http://www.my-funspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/UNSET.jpg[/image] Yep.
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moose_droppings wrote: shockabuku wrote: jakedatc wrote: shockabuku wrote: jakedatc wrote: Player wrote: For icing: If you do a water bath around 50F is good. If you are using Ice/cold packs take care with how cold they are, and do not apply directly to skin. We try not to go below 55 with our cold whirlpools in the athletic training room.. it is still really fucking cold. Ice can be put directly on the skin unless you have a sensitivity to it... gel packs maybe a thin pillow case but much more won't let enough cold through cold for after. don't usually use heat unless its for flexibility what the hell is the point of icing something if you put a freaking thick towel under it that lets no cold to the body part?? it's like trying to warm up next to a fire but standing 15' away Ice bag.. directly on the skin unless you have reactions to it ice gel packs.. thin pillow case this is standard protocol for PT clinics and AT rooms. Cold isn't something that moves. Heat (energy) does. Cold moves via conduction. Oh how cute, trying to troll a geek.
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jomagam wrote: Which is best to help recuperate joints, tendon and muscles after climbing: cold water, hot water, alternate the two, or something else ? Any recommendation on temperatures ? Better to do a warm up after. some climber think that a painkiller is enought, but when you have pain...there is always a reason. The tendon or muscle can be tear. If this happen, it is like a scrath on your skin and blood or liquid are release around the cut. You must stop the expansion of the blood by a contraction of the blood vessel. So, you need to use cold. I can understand that the goal is not to lower the pain, but to stop the emoragy. Micro lesion can be very small and, with time, can be a big problem. If there is friction between two tendon, use of cold is, I think, not as good. When you begin an exercise, there is no water in your tendon. In a warm up, it took at least one minute to bring some water in it. after that, your tendon is acting like a chock absorber in your car. The pain is a sign that your training is not as good as it could be. If you climb and rest for 30 minutes, you need to warm up again, In a resting time, the tendon cool down and pull away all is water. If there is no fluid release by the tendon, than you need warm to help the body to recover.
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chadnsc wrote: moose_droppings wrote: shockabuku wrote: jakedatc wrote: shockabuku wrote: jakedatc wrote: Player wrote: For icing: If you do a water bath around 50F is good. If you are using Ice/cold packs take care with how cold they are, and do not apply directly to skin. We try not to go below 55 with our cold whirlpools in the athletic training room.. it is still really fucking cold. Ice can be put directly on the skin unless you have a sensitivity to it... gel packs maybe a thin pillow case but much more won't let enough cold through cold for after. don't usually use heat unless its for flexibility what the hell is the point of icing something if you put a freaking thick towel under it that lets no cold to the body part?? it's like trying to warm up next to a fire but standing 15' away Ice bag.. directly on the skin unless you have reactions to it ice gel packs.. thin pillow case this is standard protocol for PT clinics and AT rooms. Cold isn't something that moves. Heat (energy) does. Cold moves via conduction. Oh how cute, trying to troll a geek. Dang, you could of at least waited till I got a bite.
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moose_droppings wrote: chadnsc wrote: moose_droppings wrote: shockabuku wrote: jakedatc wrote: shockabuku wrote: jakedatc wrote: Player wrote: For icing: If you do a water bath around 50F is good. If you are using Ice/cold packs take care with how cold they are, and do not apply directly to skin. We try not to go below 55 with our cold whirlpools in the athletic training room.. it is still really fucking cold. Ice can be put directly on the skin unless you have a sensitivity to it... gel packs maybe a thin pillow case but much more won't let enough cold through cold for after. don't usually use heat unless its for flexibility what the hell is the point of icing something if you put a freaking thick towel under it that lets no cold to the body part?? it's like trying to warm up next to a fire but standing 15' away Ice bag.. directly on the skin unless you have reactions to it ice gel packs.. thin pillow case this is standard protocol for PT clinics and AT rooms. Cold isn't something that moves. Heat (energy) does. Cold moves via conduction. Oh how cute, trying to troll a geek. Dang, you could of at least waited till I got a bite. have What the hell is the matter with you people? One doesn't know basic science and the other doesn't know 7th grade English. Fuck. If I could walk out of the room right now I would but there's no way I'm getting off my fat, lazy ass for you guys.
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