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t-dog
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Does anybody know the proper (safe) technique to rig an aussie rappel using a regular harness?
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lox
Dec 24, 2002, 6:00 AM
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OMFG.
Dulfersitz.
It will make you look cooler and your kids will thank you.
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nadroj
Dec 24, 2002, 11:56 AM
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What is an Aussie Rappel
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howitzer
Dec 24, 2002, 1:22 PM
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It's rappelling facing downwards so you are essentially walking down the face of the rock/building whatever.
I have heard multiple theories on how to do this, including somehow attaching the belay/rap devise to the back of a harness -but have never tried it so I can't comment on the validity of any of them.
I think it should be noted that if you want to do something like this, get someone to show you who knows what they are doing and can show you hands-on. And remember that many climbing deaths occur while rapping - it's one of the most dangerous aspects of this sport, so be careful and learn to do it the right way.
here's a look at what it is:
[ This Message was edited by: howitzer on 2002-12-24 06:05 ]
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moeman
Dec 24, 2002, 2:58 PM
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Sweet! I want to try that!
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lox
Dec 24, 2002, 4:10 PM
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That chuffer is in an Army shirt.
Classic.
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easysteve
Jan 3, 2003, 10:42 AM
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Cool, I'm loving this... I served 4 years with 101st... (the rappels are what got me into climbing) If you're still interested PM everything you would like to know, and I'll just have to give you some expert advise.
Forwarn... It's a painful rappel method, and can cause severe cramps during rappel. It's meant as a rapid assault, and is not recommended as a technique to be used while descending. Amen. I love this sport.
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Jan 3, 2003, 5:58 PM
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OMG!!
awesome pic no_limit!!
ROCK ON!!!
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esimhs99
Jan 3, 2003, 6:24 PM
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i have done it a few times as well. you have to have padding around your waist where you harness is otherwise it really digs into you. you hook in from the back, so you have to have someone else do it. and there is a different method you use with your hands. it is fun but F-ing scarry when you first start out. i did it off our stadium at school, and it felt like i was committing suicide. it is only scarry until you feel the rope catch, and then it is free sailing. PM if you want more info. rock on!
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easysteve
Jan 3, 2003, 8:55 PM
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I'm no one's daddy, but let me say friendly that when your hitting the crag, you don't need to use that technique, you're only going to get injured easier. gansscr
has got to know what I mean, being in the corp and all.
If you plan on doing that, here's a couple reminders:
Run, don't walk down, your body won't be able to take it thus it's just like using only a waste loop.
Since you clip in on the back, have your buddy check it for you.
Steve.
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Jan 4, 2003, 11:26 AM
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This method of rapping was shown at an extreme sport display a few years ago. This guy was all set up on a big building in town and he ran clean off the end of his rope 4m above the ground. There must be an easier way to land than that. Turns out the guy was pretty green at it. Maybe he hadnt learnt that bit?
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scubaboy26
Jan 5, 2003, 10:19 PM
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The way I've seen it done by my friend is, take aquickdraw and screw or auto biner and clip them at the front and back(if you have a haul loop), then attach your rappel device to the screw or auto biner and go over.
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rideandclimbkid
Jan 5, 2003, 11:27 PM
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There are two ways that i was wondering about. The first, is to put your harness on backwards. it feels awkward, but if you have someone pull on the belay loop you'll feel the pressure on your legs and gut instead of just your gut. before i would try rapping on this, id get a buddy and sling a low treebranch and hang from it to see what it feels like. The other way that i was wondering about was if you set up your rap as usual, the device in the front, the i turned around, and clipped a short quickdraw to my haul loop and then clipped the lead of the rap rope(the part your actually hanging on) through the biner in the quickdraw. you could use an autolocker in your haul loop, but the perpose of a quickdraw is to keep the roep off your body, so that it doesnt make a ton of friction on your side, because it would be rubbing alot. also, if you stopepd suddenly while using an aotolocker instead of a quickdraw, the rope would dig into your side. I was just wondering if anyone had ever tried either of these two ways, because these were the first that i thought of and seemed most obvious. speak up and tell me if these ideas work or if youve tried either, cause i wanna try aussie rapping too!
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easysteve
Jan 5, 2003, 11:42 PM
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Again, if you're actually doing this right, the rope won't even touch your body, and if it DOES, then you made a major mistake. When rapping aussie style, you would connect your eight or ATC or whatever you want, to the back end of your body ON your waist strap for your harness as if you were connectng it to your belay loop as normal. This is the only way it should be done, no questions asked, you don't want to put your harness on backwards for reasons of the fact they weren't made for that. Don't get yourself killed doing that. Live with the pain that comes with the gut pressure, it's all apart of the style, and yet I never really figured a point for that technique besides from being for rapid deployment, rescuing a downed man, woman or whatever, and covering your ass when your being shot at when your exiting a helo, ALL of which have nothing to do with climbing. But if you want to know IN DEPTH out to do this, just pm me.
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Jan 6, 2003, 12:01 AM
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easysteve
Jan 6, 2003, 7:28 AM
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Kamikaze eh?
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cliffhanger9
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Jan 7, 2003, 1:54 AM
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^ ^ ^ what's kamikaze? ^ ^ ^
sounds like fun!!
rock on!!
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easysteve
Jan 7, 2003, 7:01 AM
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That's great. When I was with 101, we 'jumped' out with more slack then that at times. Although we didn't call it kamikaze, because none of us were injured too bad doing it. Correct term for that would be "Hooah-glidin"
I love it.
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galt
Jan 7, 2003, 7:59 AM
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When I taught rappelling over the summer often the kids wanted to do "that head first thing". We simply taught them to put their harness on backwards. This was easy enough because we always double-checked them. No one fell to their bloody death nor did we so much as encounter a single glitch. I asked my boss why we didn't simply attach the 8 to the back of the harness and he said he didn't like the idea of the 8 being able to slide if the kid went inverted.
Makes sense to me.
Gluck!
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easysteve
Jan 7, 2003, 8:44 AM
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I'm just thinking that's a hard thing to do considering your butt is bigger than your front, which is why harnesses are designed that way.
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rideandclimbkid
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its really not...i tried it and hung in it from my boulder wall. i didnt rap in it though. your harness waistbelt slopes slightly upward infront of you, and because its trying to level out, you feel a strong pull on the front of your theighs. if you rap this way, sling yourself a chest harness and wear it backwards! normally, youll rap, and sit in the harness, thus transfering weight up and down. you keep your COG close to the rope. when you wear your harness backwards, you cannot bend at the waist upwards, and downwards gives a possibillity of dropping out of your harness, so if you sling yourself a chest harness, youll stay "upright". what i mean is, perpendicular to the rock that you are running down. it will also take some weight off your gut when you stop. again, i have NOT rapped like this yet, but i have hung from my harness this way. all that I am saying is that wearing your harness IS possible, and it could probobly be perfected with some tweakage of the straps; making adjustments to legnths and normal stuff liek that.
just my two cents,
The Kid
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cliffhanger9
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kamikazekid (or anyone else)...
got any pics of this kamikaze rappelling?!
i gotta c this!!
haha ROCK ON!!
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easysteve
Jan 7, 2003, 11:38 PM
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I got a video of me doing it when I was stationed at Ft. Campbell. It's nothing huge to see, but if you must. I'll try to upload it as soon as I can.
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I did this into Moaning Cavern 10 years ago. The guides hooked me up with a backward chest harness. really just a long runner crossed on my chest and pulled around the back. With this hookup, I couldn't get as far forward as I liked but it cut down on the pain a bit.
Using a J-Bar, I couldn't do any speed tricks. Liability reasons and all that.
Way cool.
Dave
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