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estwing
Aug 26, 2002, 12:47 AM
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Thanks for all the great advice. I decided to go with the camel back style pack. It should be great.
Thanks again,
Sam
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bouldertoad
Aug 26, 2002, 3:31 AM
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Camelabk is definitely the way to go. Get one that you can use as a day pack as well but the super large ones like the Trans Alp. The Hawg or the Blowfish are good ones that you can fit a guidebook rain jacket some food and 100 oz of water in and shoes for the rappel or walk off.
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rendog
Aug 26, 2002, 7:50 AM
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Usually for myself anyway, I have a 2L camelback as well as a full Naglene bottle with a bit of webbing taped onto it so I can clip it to the back of my harness. That gives me about three and a bit liters for a climb.
For you Yanks out there that's about three pints.
this has worked out on climbs that were 21P long on a 20 degree Celcius (70F) day and I still had a bit left over.
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tradguy
Aug 26, 2002, 12:55 PM
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Actually, rendog, that would be more like 6 pints (3 quarts)
I have a BD Wingate hip-pack that is just big enough to hold a 1 L Nalgene and some snacks. If I want to bring descent shoes or a jacket as well, I'll use my BD bullet pack, and then I can also fit a little more water.
A caution on hanging Nalgenes from the blue keeper ring - I've seen those break off from the lid of the bottle. They are not designed for that kind of load, and it's a good way to lose your water if you aren't careful. Duct taping a cord or sling to the bottle is a better way to go.
I've personally never used a Camelback, but thought about getting one many times. Do you guys put them on underneath the lead rack, or over the top? I would think they would interfere with the comfort of the way the rack sits across your shoulder and back.
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Aug 27, 2002, 5:26 PM
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I tried the Camelback for cycling and could never get used to the feel while on my bike but for climbing they are the greatest. I fill the bladder and take 2 nalgene bottles and some times have found that was not enough. Load what you think you will need and add some more. You can get by without food for a while but your body will shut down when dehydration hits.
Climb On
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assault_climber
Aug 27, 2002, 6:09 PM
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fleadawg is right, in order to be properly hydrated, you need to start drinking water the day before, and keep drinking. I'm originally from AZ, so I know a thing or two about climbing when it's hot as hell. I take my camelback, clip a nalgene bottle to my harness, and make my 2nd carry more water. Also, if you're gonna be at the rocks camping or whatever, make sure you don't drink any alcohol or soda or coffee while you're in camp, because alcohol and caffeine will dehydrate you. I like to drink Gatorade or Kool-Aid when I'm in camp at night. You can go about twice as long without food as you can without water.
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jeffers_mz
Aug 30, 2002, 10:42 AM
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In technical terms, "salt" covers a lot of ground. One of the most critical salts is potassium chloride. Sweat out enough of this without replenishing it, and you literally won't be able to remember your own name, in addition to ending up flat on the ground with all your friends standing around you while you do the epileptic thing.
You don't get much of this from ordinary salt tablets. Gatorade or bananas, and gatorade gets it in and where you need it a lot faster.
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alexinmilton
Aug 30, 2002, 1:17 PM
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If you buy one buy the larger size.
The weight difference between a "half-back" and the original is so small it's really not an issue. This gives you the option to fill it with the amount you will need for the day.
You can definitly fill it with anything you'd like. My favorite is iced tea...it only looks like beer. ...rinse it right away, (ie. don't leave it in the trunk for a week!)
Alex
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kmae
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hi tradguy: I put on my camelback first, then my rack, then my slings. It does make the rack a little tighter, but I have it loosened up a bit now so that's not a problem. Also, if you put the rack under the camelback then you can't slide the rack out of your way when you need to make a move. I usually ask my second to carry the camelback, and he doesn't mind since I carry it for him whenever he leads!
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wyoclimber
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I tried a new system last week, a 1 liter bladder slid into a waist pack. extra room for food, etc. stayed out of the way better than the back pack style. I could slide it around, from one side to the other, depending on the climbing i was doing, and it didnt get in the way of my shoulder slung rack.
i am happy with this system.
-wyo
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tradguy
Sep 5, 2002, 3:57 PM
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One word of caution with the hip pack - Gu packets will explode when squished between rock and a Nalgene bottle. What a mess!!
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scdance
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What if you have to pee?? 2 liters is a lot of water and is bound to fill that bladder preeeetty quickly.
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marc801
Jan 17, 2012, 7:04 AM
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scdance wrote: What if you have to pee?? 2 liters is a lot of water and is bound to fill that bladder preeeetty quickly.
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scdance
Jan 17, 2012, 7:07 AM
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I hope so. I mean, that's what I was going for.
No, I searched "water" and not seeing the date of the post accidentally posted.
But really! What if you do have to pee on a long climb like that. What do you do?
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gblauer
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Jan 17, 2012, 2:38 PM
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You just pee. What's the issue?
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scdance
Jan 17, 2012, 5:20 PM
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0_o You are stranded up on a rock. So you just whip it out and start peeing off the side of the rock face?
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gblauer
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Jan 17, 2012, 5:36 PM
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Well, in my case, as a female...I can't just "whip it out". But yeah...
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marc801
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scdance wrote: 0_o You are stranded up on a rock. So you just whip it out and start peeing off the side of the rock face?
But basically, yes. Try to find an obscure spot that is not on the route - eg: not the belay ledge, not pissing down the last pitch, etc. Think about those who might be doing the route after you.
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ianwatson
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a 32oz Nalgene bottle clipped with a mini (doubles as bail gear) to the back of my harness and a cliff bar in the pocket. Bladder waiting in my 40L pack at the bottom.
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