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Rockalanche


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Do you need an auto locking ATC to self belay yourself?


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Rockalanche wrote:
Do you need an auto locking ATC to self belay yourself?

Are you talking rope soloing?


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No. You need considerable experience and thorough knowledge of rope systems.

And, preferably, a good mentor to show you how it works.


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Rockalanche wrote:
Do you need an auto locking ATC to self belay yourself?



"Allow myself to introduce... myself."





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If you have to ask, you probably shouldn't. Especially if your asking on the interweb. If your really interested, find a good mentor to teach you.


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Colinhoglund wrote:
If you have to ask, you probably shouldn't. Especially if your asking on the interweb. If your really interested, find a good mentor to teach you.
Okay thank you. I live in Missouri and there is like no good climbing in Missouri there is one place like 5 minutes from my house but I need a special permit to climb there and really want to climb but I lack having a climbing buddy to belay me so I was just wondering what belaying yourself is


Colinhoglund


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I like this guy! Live long and Climb smart.


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Rockalanche wrote:
Colinhoglund wrote:
If you have to ask, you probably shouldn't. Especially if your asking on the interweb. If your really interested, find a good mentor to teach you.
Okay thank you. I live in Missouri and there is like no good climbing in Missouri there is one place like 5 minutes from my house but I need a special permit to climb there and really want to climb but I lack having a climbing buddy to belay me so I was just wondering what belaying yourself is
Rope soloing is super sketchy if you don't have the experience to know what you are doing.
Stick to low level bouldering or something.


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Mar 28, 2012, 3:25 AM
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You can selfbelay with an ATC in guide mode and with a lot of other methods, like the grigri, clove hitch, ascenders. There are a lot of resources on the internet about selfbelay. Read them, understand them and mby then you won't die. While you're at it learn self rescue, will come in handy.


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But you might consider starting with top rope soloing as opposed to lead soloing.


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shockabuku wrote:
But you might consider starting with top rope soloing as opposed to lead soloing.

Killjoy


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Rockalanche wrote:
Colinhoglund wrote:
If you have to ask, you probably shouldn't. Especially if your asking on the interweb. If your really interested, find a good mentor to teach you.
Okay thank you. I live in Missouri and there is like no good climbing in Missouri there is one place like 5 minutes from my house but I need a special permit to climb there and really want to climb but I lack having a climbing buddy to belay me so I was just wondering what belaying yourself is

Many places that require a special permit for climbing do so in order to limit risk and potential for injury and rescue.

I don't have any personal experience with the area you might be talking about, but would be surprised if they granted a permit to someone who plans on roped soloing. These entities are often sometimes knowlegeable enough to assess your qualifications prior to granting a permit, and with your limited knowlege I would be willing to bet they can smell your inexperience a mile away.

Not trying to be harsh, just a fair warning. Please consider finding someone with the appropriate expertise to take you there; you will benefit from it in the long run.


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Kartessa wrote:
shockabuku wrote:
But you might consider starting with top rope soloing as opposed to lead soloing.

Killjoy

Fool.


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Rockalanche wrote:
Do you need an auto locking ATC to self belay yourself?

Yeah, I know what it's like to be stuck somewhere with little to climb and no one around to do it with, but self-belaying (top-rope [TR] soloing, aid soloing, and [free, lead] rope soloing) isn't a beginners topic and should only be attempted by experienced climbers.

Wish I could help on the particulars of your situation, but this isn't the way you want to go...


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How about doing a Google search for "top rope solo" or similar sets of terms and then read the first 30 result pages?

Research by reading Google pages is about as good as research by asking here. Here are some interesting pages I found:

http://www.climbing.com/...techtips/ttsport253/

http://cremnomaniac.wordpress.com/...-of-solo-top-roping/

http://www.mountainproject.com/...or_gri_gri/106718306

Crappy video but just one of hundreds of links you could find: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK3jVIJnXJE

I'm not saying that any of these are the right pages or videos for you, just that you can find info if you go looking for it. Maybe these will give you enough information to refine your search terms, perhaps by searching for "solo grigri", and find more information than you will ever want.

But to answer the question, Yes, you need a locking device for rope solo climbing.

An ATC is a brand of device. You could use a Reverso, ATC Guide, GRIGRI, Petzl Shunt, Soloist, various ascenders, etc... Just keep in mind that each device has pros and cons and some devices that seem obvious, like toothed ascenders, are sometimes frowned upon even though some people use them.

You will need a lot of information and a lot more climbing experience before you can do this safetly if only because you don't know enough to see a mistake when you're making it.

If you are climbing solo, there is no one else to save your ass if you screw up.

Dave


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I thought about this before. But after I did the research, I decided I'd rather buy an extra harness, and drag a family member to the crag with me so they can belay with a GriGri.

Even if they havn't the slightest clue on how to properly belay, it'll still feel safer than going at it solo.

I STILL have not found a climbing partner as psyched to climb as often as I want to/can outdoors. So I just end up bouldering by myself a lot :-(


ceebo


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jamesnater wrote:
I thought about this before. But after I did the research, I decided I'd rather buy an extra harness, and drag a family member to the crag with me so they can belay with a GriGri.

Even if they havn't the slightest clue on how to properly belay, it'll still feel safer than going at it solo.

I STILL have not found a climbing partner as psyched to climb as often as I want to/can outdoors. So I just end up bouldering by myself a lot :-(

Assuming your crag has top access then you should try it. Modding the grigri is not hard and setting up the system is just like TR bar the fixed line.

You can test falls low to the ground and build the trust, back up knots cover a cam fail.. heavy dty biner will take mor weight than your harness. Its safe.


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jamesnater wrote:
I thought about this before. But after I did the research, I decided I'd rather buy an extra harness, and drag a family member to the crag with me so they can belay with a GriGri.

Even if they havn't the slightest clue on how to properly belay, it'll still feel safer than going at it solo.

I STILL have not found a climbing partner as psyched to climb as often as I want to/can outdoors. So I just end up bouldering by myself a lot :-(

While the Grigri will probably catch you even if the belayer doesn't do things properly, you want to make sure they practice lowering you from a safe height several times.


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Here is one important lesson you can learn from the thread: If ceebo "says it's fine - go for it", and Healyje says "it's too dangerous", then you have a definitive answer: DO NOT DO IT.

Healyje is a badass, who does first ascents that I would be scared to death to repeat. If he says it's not safe for you, listen.

Ceebo is an idiot who is bound to get himself or someone else killed.

HTH,

GO


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chadnsc wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
shockabuku wrote:
But you might consider starting with top rope soloing as opposed to lead soloing.

Killjoy

Fool.

Both wrong. One could put oneself on top-rope solo belay while he mock lead solos.

And that would be fuckin' rad.


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