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ckirkwood9
Jul 26, 2012, 7:05 PM
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looks like someone is taking advantage of the expired patent!
http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/en-us/journal/climb/all/camalot-x4coming-spring-2013
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Marylandclimber
Jul 27, 2012, 11:42 PM
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I want these.
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qwert
Jul 28, 2012, 2:07 PM
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I am really curious about the "stacked axle"
If i get this correctly they essentially kept there double axle design, but instead of having two axles, they just have one thats "bend".
I wonder if that really offers any benefit at such small sizes.
but hot forged trigger bars? really?
I'd guess that just making them out of a good plastic would save way more weight (3g saved vs. 2g saved…)
qwert
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sbaclimber
Jul 30, 2012, 7:15 PM
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This pic is pretty cool...
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majid_sabet
Jul 30, 2012, 9:30 PM
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6kn, in reality probably fails at 3
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drector
Jul 30, 2012, 11:27 PM
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qwert wrote: I am really curious about the "stacked axle" If i get this correctly they essentially kept there double axle design, but instead of having two axles, they just have one thats "bend". I wonder if that really offers any benefit at such small sizes. but hot forged trigger bars? really? I'd guess that just making them out of a good plastic would save way more weight (3g saved vs. 2g saved…) qwert
The pics look like there are two axles but they overlap. Since they cannot overlap them if they are of the same diameter, they make the outer axle smaller so that it can be off center from the larger inner axle without somehow sticking out or getting om the way of the inner axle. It's like a wedding cake with the smaller layer not centered on the larger layer. It's a very clever design for cam axles although that type of thing has been around since the invention of the steam engine.
Very cool to get the two axle benefit in such a small and useful cam since even a tiny bit of extra range might help.
Dave
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majid_sabet
Jul 30, 2012, 11:36 PM
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drector wrote: majid_sabet wrote: 6kn, in reality probably fails at 3 Where did you get the 6kn number, and if it was from BD, are you accusing them of fraud or stupidity? Dave
well Dave, if you click on the image, there is a little black tag and looks like, its 6KN written on it.
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USnavy
Jul 31, 2012, 4:54 AM
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I'll stick with my Master Cams and support an AMERICAN company with AMERICAN workers, rather than a company that used to have American workers but fired them and replaced them with Chinese kids.
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raingod
Jul 31, 2012, 5:15 AM
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And I'll stick with.... oh wait I can't think of any company making quality cams in Canada so I guess I'll just have to make my decision based on the product itself.
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donald949
Jul 31, 2012, 4:06 PM
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drector wrote: qwert wrote: I am really curious about the "stacked axle" If i get this correctly they essentially kept there double axle design, but instead of having two axles, they just have one thats "bend". I wonder if that really offers any benefit at such small sizes. but hot forged trigger bars? really? I'd guess that just making them out of a good plastic would save way more weight (3g saved vs. 2g saved…) qwert The pics look like there are two axles but they overlap. Since they cannot overlap them if they are of the same diameter, they make the outer axle smaller so that it can be off center from the larger inner axle without somehow sticking out or getting om the way of the inner axle. It's like a wedding cake with the smaller layer not centered on the larger layer. It's a very clever design for cam axles although that type of thing has been around since the invention of the steam engine. Very cool to get the two axle benefit in such a small and useful cam since even a tiny bit of extra range might help. Dave
Dave, I see now. I saw the 2 diameters for the inner and outer lobes, but I didn't get the centerlines were offset. very clever. Although I don't know how much more range they are getting from them on such small cam lobes. But still neat trick.
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majid_sabet
Jul 31, 2012, 6:16 PM
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USnavy wrote: I'll stick with my Master Cams and support an AMERICAN company with AMERICAN workers, rather than a company that used to have American workers but fired them and replaced them with Chinese kids.
Pull your pants down and look at your underwear soldier boy, its made in china and do not be so patriotic
The American flag is made in china and so does the everything else and very soon, the red flag with star will be all over US of A
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