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reggola
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I'm interested in these shorts but it looks like they have no belay loop? http://www.mammut.ch/...alization+Short.html How do you belay while wearing them if there is no loop, I suppose you could girth hitch a sling or something but that seems rather funky especially if gym climbing which is probably their best environment. thanks
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shotwell
Apr 2, 2013, 3:48 PM
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reggola wrote: I'm interested in these shorts but it looks like they have no belay loop? http://www.mammut.ch/...alization+Short.html How do you belay while wearing them if there is no loop, I suppose you could girth hitch a sling or something but that seems rather funky especially if gym climbing which is probably their best environment. thanks Clip the two loops with your belay carabiner.
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wivanoff
Apr 2, 2013, 3:58 PM
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Another solution in search of a problem. One of the dumbest ideas I've seen in a long time. How often do you wash your shorts? How often do you wash your harness?
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reggola
Apr 2, 2013, 4:25 PM
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shotwell wrote: reggola wrote: I'm interested in these shorts but it looks like they have no belay loop? http://www.mammut.ch/...alization+Short.html How do you belay while wearing them if there is no loop, I suppose you could girth hitch a sling or something but that seems rather funky especially if gym climbing which is probably their best environment. thanks Clip the two loops with your belay carabiner. It seems like you'd be creating a tri axle loading on the carabiner were you to do this. I doubt catching a fall with your belay device would place enough load on the carabiner to break it but I don't know for sure, prefer to not take a chance, unless this was the mammut confirmed way.
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shotwell
Apr 2, 2013, 4:29 PM
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reggola wrote: shotwell wrote: reggola wrote: I'm interested in these shorts but it looks like they have no belay loop? http://www.mammut.ch/...alization+Short.html How do you belay while wearing them if there is no loop, I suppose you could girth hitch a sling or something but that seems rather funky especially if gym climbing which is probably their best environment. thanks Clip the two loops with your belay carabiner. It seems like you'd be creating a tri axle loading on the carabiner were you to do this. I doubt catching a fall with your belay device would place enough load on the carabiner to break it but I don't know for sure, prefer to not take a chance, unless this was the mammut confirmed way. ...it is the Mammut approved attachment. Just like every harness manufacturer that makes a harness without a belay loop. If you have doubts, contact Mammut.
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marc801
Apr 2, 2013, 4:33 PM
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wivanoff wrote: Another solution in search of a problem. One of the dumbest ideas I've seen in a long time. How often do you wash your shorts? How often do you wash your harness? +1 And $200 no less. Product cancellation coming in 3...2....1....
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reggola
Apr 2, 2013, 4:42 PM
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shotwell wrote: reggola wrote: shotwell wrote: reggola wrote: I'm interested in these shorts but it looks like they have no belay loop? http://www.mammut.ch/...alization+Short.html How do you belay while wearing them if there is no loop, I suppose you could girth hitch a sling or something but that seems rather funky especially if gym climbing which is probably their best environment. thanks Clip the two loops with your belay carabiner. It seems like you'd be creating a tri axle loading on the carabiner were you to do this. I doubt catching a fall with your belay device would place enough load on the carabiner to break it but I don't know for sure, prefer to not take a chance, unless this was the mammut confirmed way. ...it is the Mammut approved attachment. Just like every harness manufacturer that makes a harness without a belay loop. If you have doubts, contact Mammut. cool didn't know that, thanks that makes it simple.
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shotwell
Apr 2, 2013, 4:53 PM
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marc801 wrote: wivanoff wrote: Another solution in search of a problem. One of the dumbest ideas I've seen in a long time. How often do you wash your shorts? How often do you wash your harness? +1 And $200 no less. Product cancellation coming in 3...2....1.... While I don't see where this fits in the market it has been available for more than a year. I'm pretty sure it is on at least the second production run as well since there seem to be new colors. Seems that someone is buying them.
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marc801
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shotwell wrote: While I don't see where this fits in the market it has been available for more than a year. I'm pretty sure it is on at least the second production run as well since there seem to be new colors. Seems that some one easily fooled folks with more money than brains is are buying them. Fix'd it!
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jt512
Apr 2, 2013, 5:19 PM
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If you order those online do you get the shorts or a pop-up window that says "April Fools!"
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shotwell
Apr 2, 2013, 9:30 PM
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I certainly don't disagree. They aren't on my wishlist.
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qwert
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I dont know if they were first, or if it was indeed mammut, but Vaude/edelrid also offered some alpine pants with an integrated harness. I cant find it on their homepage anymore, but this shop still has some images of the thing, plus the info that it is not available anymore. So it seems that it was not that successfull for ski mountaineering, glacier travel and alpinism as it seems to be for sport climbing. The vaude/edelrid version had the loopo light harness built in, which also works on the two loops principle. I know folks who use that harness, and from looking at it, triaxial loading does not seem to be a problem. If you get pull on the carabiner, the loops move (because your body gives in) and rest in the axle of the carabiner. Personally, I also dont really see the appeal of these shorts, but two things: A) if you completely follow that approach and use the whole shorts for support, you could probably built the best fitting and most comfortable harness there is. (ignoring the washing issues, and the fact that you probably wont walk around in whats essentially a harness all the time) B) if you want to accept it or not - climbing has long become a mainstream sport, and as such it follows the laws of fashion. you have to look good doing it, you have to often have a new outfit and you have to have a competitive advantage in the gym courtship, by whatever aspects possible… qwert
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Apr 3, 2013, 2:03 PM
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jt512 wrote: If you order those online do you get the shorts or a pop-up window that says "April Fools!" They've been on a market for about a year, I saw the review in one of the climbing magazines, and it was definitely not in April issue. Crazy as it seems... it is not an April Fools joke.
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wivanoff
Apr 3, 2013, 2:11 PM
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So, what do you do when it's cool out and you want to wear long pants? At $200 it doesn't sound very cost effective to have these and still need another harness anyway. Hmmmm.... I think I'll invent a pair with zip off legs and put these other posers out of business. You could zip off just one leg and be stylish ;)
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lena_chita
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Apr 3, 2013, 2:26 PM
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wivanoff wrote: So, what do you do when it's cool out and you want to wear long pants? At $200 it doesn't sound very cost effective to have these and still need another harness anyway. Hmmmm.... I think I'll invent a pair with zip off legs and put these other posers out of business. You could zip off just one leg and be stylish ;) Make sure to sell them with matching detachable stealth rubber knee pads. Then you could probably charge $300. But yeah ,when I saw those shorts in a magazine review, my first reaction was to sake head and say, wtf, who would ever buy these?
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shimanilami
Apr 3, 2013, 5:25 PM
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wivanoff wrote: So, what do you do when it's cool out and you want to wear long pants? I'd throw a pair of jeans over them and tie-in/belay through the zipper hole. Can you picture it?
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jbro_135
Apr 9, 2013, 5:05 AM
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"Washable at up to 40 °C"
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wivanoff
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jbro_135 wrote: "Washable at up to 40 °C" My point was that you wash your shorts more often than you wash your harness. At least, I do. Clothing (like shorts) generally does not last as long as gear (like a harness). Part of this is just general wear on the material but some may be due to the agitation of repeated washings. Those shorts will likely wear out before the harness does. They're gonna look pretty stylish all patched up, aren't they? So, is the harness detachable so that you can wash just the shorts? If not, how do you inspect the harness? If so, why not just a separate harness that can be worn with different shorts or long pants? Again, a solution in search of a problem. But some folks will buy anything.
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skalla92
May 14, 2013, 9:35 PM
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wivanoff wrote: Another solution in search of a problem. One of the dumbest ideas I've seen in a long time. How often do you wash your shorts? How often do you wash your harness? This harness is actually very nice! Heres the problem with wivanoffs question: How many times to you WEAR your harness? how many times do you WEAR your shorts. These harness shorts are a very nice idea and they were very comfortable! I must admit that i did return them as i ordered the wrong size and they were $200. So instead i bought a petzl sama, a gri gri and a few quick draws for the same price
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marc801
May 14, 2013, 11:52 PM
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skalla92 wrote: These harness shorts are a very nice idea and they were very comfortable! I must admit that i did return them as i ordered the wrong size and they were $200. So instead i bought a petzl sama, a gri gri and a few quick draws for the same price Yes. What's been said all along: an overpriced solution desperately searching for a problem for those with more money than brains.
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climb4free
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I too was intrigued about these, but with a price that steep, they would need to be more versatile for me. I wrote about them on my blog, feel free to check it out... http://realworldclimbing.wordpress.com/...whats-new-what-next/ Edited to add: I wrote this before seeing the comment by wivanoff <not the only one>
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