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Donny... we're both bums now... where should we go?


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well, they just dropped the bomb.
Good news is no more rotating shifts for donny.
Bad news, no more paychecks.
Good news, I see an extended road trip in my future.

Well shit.

It's good it's not a total surprise and you had time to prepare yourself for this possibility but still, that's tough. Sorry dude.


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
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wat is goin on

A very good question. A very good question indeed.
I guess no one knows the answer.

Edge is travelling
Greg is still in Africa
Erin is some ultra marathoner
Ma is Ma
Ecop has a lady that makes him do stuffs
Donny is still working and going crazy
NA is still a sarcastic bastard

So... no nothing is going on.

this is korrect.

fill us un sungam, where the hell have you been, former post whore of rc.com

I have never stepped foot in Africa, but I did try to see it once from Malaga, Spain. I couldn't tell if that was just dark clouds, though.

I've told her like three times now that you're in Malaysia but geography doesn't seem to be her strong suit

or yours, but that seems to be par for the course around here. BTW - how was the climbing in West Germany?

I wonder if there is any good buildering on that wall?


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Hey Brian, is that top route the one I wimped out on a lot when we climbed together?

Did we climb at the bridge buttress? Too many NRG trips between then and now...

We did, and there was a great route with what initially appeared as a thin, sketchy traverse at the start (was actually pretty easy climbing) with a slick stem move or two up in a corner.

I couldn't get past it on lead and was barely able to on TR.


That may have been chockstone, which was the first route we did that day. It's like 25 feet of face climbing and then a hard move up in to an overhanging dihedral, with stemming above that. I seem to remember a short fall at the roof on your part. That's the only route I can think of. I don't believe we got on Where Real Men Dare, which is what he is on in that picture.


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Vacation this October will be happening.

Destination: Somewhere in S. America.

I think we are between Peru and Ecuador at the moment. Leaning towards Peru - hard - at the moment.

What are you going to do down here? Unless you're hitting the beach, don't worry about Brasil - it's a different world. Chile and Argentina are pretty damn cool though. I think you'd love the Andes spine that separates the two.
Sight see.

I think we are going to trek the Inca trail for a few days and then go into the rainforest for another few days. Sort of a best of both worlds trip. I was enticed by a Cotopaxi trip, but you don't actually climb it; and when I looked up climbing tours the GF didn't want to do it. It'd be a tourist slog-trail and we'd be tethered to 1) a group and 2) unable to part from our 'guide' if we desired to make pace quicker. I think the treking trip will be neat, and as long as we can get in the group of fit and experienced hikers we should have no issue. It'd suck to be stuck with 50-something overweight 'mericans who can't walk a mile without complaining.


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wat is goin on
Just got back from Red Rocks...
sort of...
The wife had been jonesing for a weekend away...
from teh kids.
So she arranged the babysitting, and we weaded out to vegas fri am. We did some shopping, lounging by the pool, saw DaM, the fountains, and hung out on the strip.
But Sun we headed over to REI. Yes there are closer REI's to me, but this REI is right off Charsleton, and as it turned out 2 blocks from our hotel. And this REI had 7 different guidebooks on RR, while mine had none. Otherwise you could barely tell the difference. Other than picking up the book, didn't kill any time at REI. From there headed over to RR. Really didn't have much time to explore the are, had to hit the road back home. But at least now I can say I've been there.*





*Spent half an hour at the over look shooting pics.
I must say the strip is kinda zoo. Parking at the Flamingo was a pain. Walking down the strip a half a mile took forever. It wasn't quite elbow to elbow/shoulder to shoulder. But quite crowded. Too short of time away.
Otherwise a good trip.

My younger brother is going to Vegas for an MLG (Major League Gaming) tournament and tried to get me to go along. Fuck that. I doubt I will ever set foot in that city. It is all that makes me twitchy in this world.

Don't know dude. The climbing there is pretty fucking sweet.

I've been there three times, and each time I've stayed at the Suncoast Casino. I've stayed there because it's relatively cheap and pretty close to the Loop (15 min and you're at the parking lot). I've never, ever dropped a penny or more on any slot machine, on a show, on anything that's "vegas related." Not interested in that city at all, but it's damn worth it for the climbing. (actually, I stayed in a time share one of those times).
We stayed right next to there at the Marriott. And yea, right next to the Red Rock loop. Well off the strip, and the zoo that it is.
Give me the 411. how where the rooms and pool at the sun coast? Cause if they are nice and the rates are great, maybe the place to stay.
wait...
I thought Kart said she was going to vegas with NA to get married or something???

We're still working on the guest list

How many people do you think will fit on top of castleton Tower?


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well, they just dropped the bomb.
Good news is no more rotating shifts for donny.
Bad news, no more paychecks.
Good news, I see an extended road trip in my future.
I heard it on the news this morning.

Sucks... Sorry to hear.

Well, hopefully they keep you on for the decomissioning, though that may not take long since y'all weren't too operational anyway. If not, you can always seek employment down on the navy bases here, else make like migrant and inhabit Washinton or AZ?


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notapplicable wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
donald949 wrote:
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wat is goin on
Just got back from Red Rocks...
sort of...
The wife had been jonesing for a weekend away...
from teh kids.
So she arranged the babysitting, and we weaded out to vegas fri am. We did some shopping, lounging by the pool, saw DaM, the fountains, and hung out on the strip.
But Sun we headed over to REI. Yes there are closer REI's to me, but this REI is right off Charsleton, and as it turned out 2 blocks from our hotel. And this REI had 7 different guidebooks on RR, while mine had none. Otherwise you could barely tell the difference. Other than picking up the book, didn't kill any time at REI. From there headed over to RR. Really didn't have much time to explore the are, had to hit the road back home. But at least now I can say I've been there.*





*Spent half an hour at the over look shooting pics.
I must say the strip is kinda zoo. Parking at the Flamingo was a pain. Walking down the strip a half a mile took forever. It wasn't quite elbow to elbow/shoulder to shoulder. But quite crowded. Too short of time away.
Otherwise a good trip.

My younger brother is going to Vegas for an MLG (Major League Gaming) tournament and tried to get me to go along. Fuck that. I doubt I will ever set foot in that city. It is all that makes me twitchy in this world.

Don't know dude. The climbing there is pretty fucking sweet.

I've been there three times, and each time I've stayed at the Suncoast Casino. I've stayed there because it's relatively cheap and pretty close to the Loop (15 min and you're at the parking lot). I've never, ever dropped a penny or more on any slot machine, on a show, on anything that's "vegas related." Not interested in that city at all, but it's damn worth it for the climbing. (actually, I stayed in a time share one of those times).
We stayed right next to there at the Marriott. And yea, right next to the Red Rock loop. Well off the strip, and the zoo that it is.
Give me the 411. how where the rooms and pool at the sun coast? Cause if they are nice and the rates are great, maybe the place to stay.
wait...
I thought Kart said she was going to vegas with NA to get married or something???

We're still working on the guest list

How many people do you think will fit on top of castleton Tower?
With or without kegs?


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donald949 wrote:
well, they just dropped the bomb.
Good news is no more rotating shifts for donny.
Bad news, no more paychecks.
Good news, I see an extended road trip in my future.

Congrats?

Honestly, not sure what to say. No one wants to see a friend lose a job, but in this case, it's a year's pay and you have time to adjust. Sometimes you qualify for unemployment, too. You just need to see when you can start applying for it (i.e. - you may get more checks after the first year).

Man, sorry to hear it, but best of luck with it.

Shall we see a Donny and Loran photochopped photo at some point, too?


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epoch wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
epoch wrote:
Vacation this October will be happening.

Destination: Somewhere in S. America.

I think we are between Peru and Ecuador at the moment. Leaning towards Peru - hard - at the moment.

What are you going to do down here? Unless you're hitting the beach, don't worry about Brasil - it's a different world. Chile and Argentina are pretty damn cool though. I think you'd love the Andes spine that separates the two.
Sight see.

I think we are going to trek the Inca trail for a few days and then go into the rainforest for another few days. Sort of a best of both worlds trip. I was enticed by a Cotopaxi trip, but you don't actually climb it; and when I looked up climbing tours the GF didn't want to do it. It'd be a tourist slog-trail and we'd be tethered to 1) a group and 2) unable to part from our 'guide' if we desired to make pace quicker. I think the treking trip will be neat, and as long as we can get in the group of fit and experienced hikers we should have no issue. It'd suck to be stuck with 50-something overweight 'mericans who can't walk a mile without complaining.

From what I know, you'll find A LOT less of that in Argentina (Mendoza and Bariloche / Frey (about one might's bus ride apart) and / or southern Chile.

Just giving an option. However, when you go depends on what routes are available. You may not be able to do both Chile and Argentina this time of year without flying between the two. The passes normally closes in winter.


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
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Hey Brian, is that top route the one I wimped out on a lot when we climbed together?

Did we climb at the bridge buttress? Too many NRG trips between then and now...

We did, and there was a great route with what initially appeared as a thin, sketchy traverse at the start (was actually pretty easy climbing) with a slick stem move or two up in a corner.

I couldn't get past it on lead and was barely able to on TR.


That may have been chockstone, which was the first route we did that day. It's like 25 feet of face climbing and then a hard move up in to an overhanging dihedral, with stemming above that. I seem to remember a short fall at the roof on your part. That's the only route I can think of. I don't believe we got on Where Real Men Dare, which is what he is on in that picture.

I think you're right.

I don't remember it well, but it does look vaguely familiar. I remember there being this thin face at the start that one needs to traverse into, and then one heads straight up.



Any other routes in that area we got on that had a series of horizontal cracks?


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I remember there being no gear at the top and you not being overly enthusiastic to discover that...and me being relieved that it wasn't me who was discovering it. Shocked


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
epoch wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
epoch wrote:
Vacation this October will be happening.

Destination: Somewhere in S. America.

I think we are between Peru and Ecuador at the moment. Leaning towards Peru - hard - at the moment.

What are you going to do down here? Unless you're hitting the beach, don't worry about Brasil - it's a different world. Chile and Argentina are pretty damn cool though. I think you'd love the Andes spine that separates the two.
Sight see.

I think we are going to trek the Inca trail for a few days and then go into the rainforest for another few days. Sort of a best of both worlds trip. I was enticed by a Cotopaxi trip, but you don't actually climb it; and when I looked up climbing tours the GF didn't want to do it. It'd be a tourist slog-trail and we'd be tethered to 1) a group and 2) unable to part from our 'guide' if we desired to make pace quicker. I think the treking trip will be neat, and as long as we can get in the group of fit and experienced hikers we should have no issue. It'd suck to be stuck with 50-something overweight 'mericans who can't walk a mile without complaining.

From what I know, you'll find A LOT less of that in Argentina (Mendoza and Bariloche / Frey (about one might's bus ride apart) and / or southern Chile.

Just giving an option. However, when you go depends on what routes are available. You may not be able to do both Chile and Argentina this time of year without flying between the two. The passes normally closes in winter.
Not particularly or necessarily looking for a climbing vacation/trip. Maybe a trekking trip, or a cultural/exploratory type of trip.


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well, they just dropped the bomb.
Good news is no more rotating shifts for donny.
Bad news, no more paychecks.
Good news, I see an extended road trip in my future.

This have to do with San Onofre?
yep.
they have decided to permanently shut it down.


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epoch wrote:
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well, they just dropped the bomb.
Good news is no more rotating shifts for donny.
Bad news, no more paychecks.
Good news, I see an extended road trip in my future.
I heard it on the news this morning.

Sucks... Sorry to hear.

Well, hopefully they keep you on for the decomissioning, though that may not take long since y'all weren't too operational anyway. If not, you can always seek employment down on the navy bases here, else make like migrant and inhabit Washinton or AZ?
Yea, I don't know. They're not going to need many for what they got to do, and most of decomissioning likely to be contracted out.
Don't know what I'll do next. Been here too many years. Stay local, hit the road, relocate. Hard to say. Haven't been looking for work, just seeing what has been coming by. So there appears to be some work out there.
Would be nice to have a small break in between. But with some certainity with where I'll end up. That would be ideal.


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well, they just dropped the bomb.
Good news is no more rotating shifts for donny.
Bad news, no more paychecks.
Good news, I see an extended road trip in my future.

Congrats?

Honestly, not sure what to say. No one wants to see a friend lose a job, but in this case, it's a year's pay and you have time to adjust. Sometimes you qualify for unemployment, too. You just need to see when you can start applying for it (i.e. - you may get more checks after the first year).

Man, sorry to hear it, but best of luck with it.

Shall we see a Donny and Loran photochopped photo at some point, too?
That would be nice. A little road trip. The possibility of this happening has been out there, so not completely a surprise. It just feels way to sureal right now. Like a dream.


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wooo ! still unpacking!


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epoch wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
epoch wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
epoch wrote:
Vacation this October will be happening.

Destination: Somewhere in S. America.

I think we are between Peru and Ecuador at the moment. Leaning towards Peru - hard - at the moment.

What are you going to do down here? Unless you're hitting the beach, don't worry about Brasil - it's a different world. Chile and Argentina are pretty damn cool though. I think you'd love the Andes spine that separates the two.
Sight see.

I think we are going to trek the Inca trail for a few days and then go into the rainforest for another few days. Sort of a best of both worlds trip. I was enticed by a Cotopaxi trip, but you don't actually climb it; and when I looked up climbing tours the GF didn't want to do it. It'd be a tourist slog-trail and we'd be tethered to 1) a group and 2) unable to part from our 'guide' if we desired to make pace quicker. I think the treking trip will be neat, and as long as we can get in the group of fit and experienced hikers we should have no issue. It'd suck to be stuck with 50-something overweight 'mericans who can't walk a mile without complaining.

From what I know, you'll find A LOT less of that in Argentina (Mendoza and Bariloche / Frey (about one might's bus ride apart) and / or southern Chile.

Just giving an option. However, when you go depends on what routes are available. You may not be able to do both Chile and Argentina this time of year without flying between the two. The passes normally closes in winter.
Not particularly or necessarily looking for a climbing vacation/trip. Maybe a trekking trip, or a cultural/exploratory type of trip.

That's I mean. All of those locations are hiking / cultural stuff. Bariloche is the chocolate capital of Argentina and it's just like walking into a swiss village. Mendoza has a huge national park, of which most of the activities there revolve around hiking. Only a few go there to climb (and what they climb is obvious).

The same with Southern Chile. Most of it is just that, hiking and cultural stuff. Puerto Varas has several national parks in and around the area, as well as Chiloe, which is a cool (big) island not far away.

I'm going for the big sell here because I know lots of people who go to Peru and have a great time, but it's loaded with people who don't take that extra step. In other words, you'll find yourself surrounded by people like you.


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when's your last day?


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well, they just dropped the bomb.
Good news is no more rotating shifts for donny.
Bad news, no more paychecks.
Good news, I see an extended road trip in my future.
I heard it on the news this morning.

Sucks... Sorry to hear.

Well, hopefully they keep you on for the decomissioning, though that may not take long since y'all weren't too operational anyway. If not, you can always seek employment down on the navy bases here, else make like migrant and inhabit Washinton or AZ?
Yea, I don't know. They're not going to need many for what they got to do, and most of decomissioning likely to be contracted out.
Don't know what I'll do next. Been here too many years. Stay local, hit the road, relocate. Hard to say. Haven't been looking for work, just seeing what has been coming by. So there appears to be some work out there.
Would be nice to have a small break in between. But with some certainity with where I'll end up. That would be ideal.

WA state for the win. are you in the nuclear business? that's what the husband does.


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
epoch wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
epoch wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
epoch wrote:
Vacation this October will be happening.

Destination: Somewhere in S. America.

I think we are between Peru and Ecuador at the moment. Leaning towards Peru - hard - at the moment.

What are you going to do down here? Unless you're hitting the beach, don't worry about Brasil - it's a different world. Chile and Argentina are pretty damn cool though. I think you'd love the Andes spine that separates the two.
Sight see.

I think we are going to trek the Inca trail for a few days and then go into the rainforest for another few days. Sort of a best of both worlds trip. I was enticed by a Cotopaxi trip, but you don't actually climb it; and when I looked up climbing tours the GF didn't want to do it. It'd be a tourist slog-trail and we'd be tethered to 1) a group and 2) unable to part from our 'guide' if we desired to make pace quicker. I think the treking trip will be neat, and as long as we can get in the group of fit and experienced hikers we should have no issue. It'd suck to be stuck with 50-something overweight 'mericans who can't walk a mile without complaining.

From what I know, you'll find A LOT less of that in Argentina (Mendoza and Bariloche / Frey (about one might's bus ride apart) and / or southern Chile.

Just giving an option. However, when you go depends on what routes are available. You may not be able to do both Chile and Argentina this time of year without flying between the two. The passes normally closes in winter.
Not particularly or necessarily looking for a climbing vacation/trip. Maybe a trekking trip, or a cultural/exploratory type of trip.

That's I mean. All of those locations are hiking / cultural stuff. Bariloche is the chocolate capital of Argentina and it's just like walking into a swiss village. Mendoza has a huge national park, of which most of the activities there revolve around hiking. Only a few go there to climb (and what they climb is obvious).

The same with Southern Chile. Most of it is just that, hiking and cultural stuff. Puerto Varas has several national parks in and around the area, as well as Chiloe, which is a cool (big) island not far away.

I'm going for the big sell here because I know lots of people who go to Peru and have a great time, but it's loaded with people who don't take that extra step. In other words, you'll find yourself surrounded by people like you.

ESL Much?

I think I understand what you are saying...

Though there are certain places that I cannot visit due to the nature of the jorb. Like, I really want to see some places in Bolivia, but it's not wise for me to go there. I found some other tours that are oriented towards small groups/individuals that we may jump on. One of them is a self-driving tour in the Valley of The Moon in N Chile, and there are several others that seem nice.

We're in the seriously shopping around stage and will likely decide within the week as to where we are going.

OTOH, NPR is doing a great jorb explaining how Brasil is cleaning up its act in anticipation of the olympics.


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well, they just dropped the bomb.
Good news is no more rotating shifts for donny.
Bad news, no more paychecks.
Good news, I see an extended road trip in my future.
I heard it on the news this morning.

Sucks... Sorry to hear.

Well, hopefully they keep you on for the decomissioning, though that may not take long since y'all weren't too operational anyway. If not, you can always seek employment down on the navy bases here, else make like migrant and inhabit Washinton or AZ?
Yea, I don't know. They're not going to need many for what they got to do, and most of decomissioning likely to be contracted out.
Don't know what I'll do next. Been here too many years. Stay local, hit the road, relocate. Hard to say. Haven't been looking for work, just seeing what has been coming by. So there appears to be some work out there.
Would be nice to have a small break in between. But with some certainity with where I'll end up. That would be ideal.

WA state for the win. are you in the nuclear business? that's what the husband does.

Ma.... go back to payge one!


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epoch wrote:
macherry wrote:
donald949 wrote:
epoch wrote:
donald949 wrote:
well, they just dropped the bomb.
Good news is no more rotating shifts for donny.
Bad news, no more paychecks.
Good news, I see an extended road trip in my future.
I heard it on the news this morning.

Sucks... Sorry to hear.

Well, hopefully they keep you on for the decomissioning, though that may not take long since y'all weren't too operational anyway. If not, you can always seek employment down on the navy bases here, else make like migrant and inhabit Washinton or AZ?
Yea, I don't know. They're not going to need many for what they got to do, and most of decomissioning likely to be contracted out.
Don't know what I'll do next. Been here too many years. Stay local, hit the road, relocate. Hard to say. Haven't been looking for work, just seeing what has been coming by. So there appears to be some work out there.
Would be nice to have a small break in between. But with some certainity with where I'll end up. That would be ideal.

WA state for the win. are you in the nuclear business? that's what the husband does.

Ma.... go back to payge one!

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epoch wrote:
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Vacation this October will be happening.

Destination: Somewhere in S. America.

I think we are between Peru and Ecuador at the moment. Leaning towards Peru - hard - at the moment.

What are you going to do down here? Unless you're hitting the beach, don't worry about Brasil - it's a different world. Chile and Argentina are pretty damn cool though. I think you'd love the Andes spine that separates the two.
Sight see.

I think we are going to trek the Inca trail for a few days and then go into the rainforest for another few days. Sort of a best of both worlds trip. I was enticed by a Cotopaxi trip, but you don't actually climb it; and when I looked up climbing tours the GF didn't want to do it. It'd be a tourist slog-trail and we'd be tethered to 1) a group and 2) unable to part from our 'guide' if we desired to make pace quicker. I think the treking trip will be neat, and as long as we can get in the group of fit and experienced hikers we should have no issue. It'd suck to be stuck with 50-something overweight 'mericans who can't walk a mile without complaining.

From what I know, you'll find A LOT less of that in Argentina (Mendoza and Bariloche / Frey (about one might's bus ride apart) and / or southern Chile.

Just giving an option. However, when you go depends on what routes are available. You may not be able to do both Chile and Argentina this time of year without flying between the two. The passes normally closes in winter.
Not particularly or necessarily looking for a climbing vacation/trip. Maybe a trekking trip, or a cultural/exploratory type of trip.

That's I mean. All of those locations are hiking / cultural stuff. Bariloche is the chocolate capital of Argentina and it's just like walking into a swiss village. Mendoza has a huge national park, of which most of the activities there revolve around hiking. Only a few go there to climb (and what they climb is obvious).

The same with Southern Chile. Most of it is just that, hiking and cultural stuff. Puerto Varas has several national parks in and around the area, as well as Chiloe, which is a cool (big) island not far away.

I'm going for the big sell here because I know lots of people who go to Peru and have a great time, but it's loaded with people who don't take that extra step. In other words, you'll find yourself surrounded by people like you.

ESL Much?

I think I understand what you are saying...

Though there are certain places that I cannot visit due to the nature of the jorb. Like, I really want to see some places in Bolivia, but it's not wise for me to go there. I found some other tours that are oriented towards small groups/individuals that we may jump on. One of them is a self-driving tour in the Valley of The Moon in N Chile, and there are several others that seem nice.

We're in the seriously shopping around stage and will likely decide within the week as to where we are going.

OTOH, NPR is doing a great jorb explaining how Brasil is cleaning up its act in anticipation of the olympics.


I never made it to the Atacama, but everyone says that's totally worth it.

You won't have any political problems with Chile for sure, or Argentina.

Brasil is really touch and go. Chile is totally safe, brasil, not so much. I wouldn't recommend Brasil here for anyone. It's more dangerous than people think, especially if you don't have the natural radar that brasilians have.

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