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andy_lemon
Dec 10, 2001, 7:47 PM
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The whole site has gone crazy in the last couple of days. I'm glad to see that the forums are back today!
I would like to bring to everyones attention that no one can add routes yet. That when the routes section is viewed it shows up errors everywhere. I'm almost positive that this is due to the recent server changes. Trevor probably isn't done with moving everything over. Well, hope everything gets back to normal in a couple of days.
Andy
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woodse
Dec 10, 2001, 11:35 PM
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Gone bonkers is right!!!!!!!!
This site runs as smoothly as a volkswagen on a 4x4 road lately!!!!!
But hey I'm just giving ya a hard time rc.com!! Don't take it personally...
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trevor
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Dec 11, 2001, 12:43 AM
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I fixed the Routes areas. I tested adding/editing/deleting a Region, Area, Section, and Route. It all worked like a charm.
I also cleaned up some warning messages on the Ascents page too.
Trevor
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diarmid
Dec 11, 2001, 1:02 AM
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*sniff*
We missed you, man ... we were so lost without you ... or at least reallly bored at work!
No worries, it's to be expected when you upgrade ...
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andy_lemon
Dec 12, 2001, 9:34 PM
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Thank you. Now I can create an online guidebook.
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jds100
Dec 12, 2001, 11:04 PM
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Try doing it without ripping off somebody else's guidebooks that are already published. These people worked hard to gather the info first hand, and, in the case of the one written by my friend in southern Illinois, it can involve climbing most of the routes, too.
If you're going to just transcribe someone else's work, at least have the courtesy and integrity to credit the people who's work you're reading from, and also let people know when you haven't actually climbed in or even been to an area for which you purport to be writing a guide.
And, a guidebook isn't just writing the name and rating. It may get you a lot of points on this website, but it adds nothing useful to the database, nor to climbers looking for real information.
[ This Message was edited by: jds100 on 2001-12-12 15:10 ]
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andy_lemon
Dec 13, 2001, 7:08 PM
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what in the... I have climbed at the areas posted.
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jds100
Dec 13, 2001, 8:17 PM
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What I'm referring to, since you ask, is that you have entered tons of Area, Section, and Route names and ratings, with little or no specific information as to their location, the method of protection, specifics of the routes, etc. etc. This has served you well in acquiring points for RC.com, but has added nothing of value to the database.
My more specific complaint is that you essentially ripped off the guidebook authored by a friend of mine, in southern Illinois. Much of what you transcribed about the areas was lifted directly from his book, and you revealed you lack of familiarity with the area(s), by some of what you included as "Sections". I've spent a lot of time cleaning up your inadequate and innacurate entries for Jackson Falls, but before I editted your entries, I emailed them to myself, and to the guidebook author. So, he may give you a call, too.
The issue of plagarizing has been discussed, as has the issue of "listing" database info; I believe Trevor is unequivocal about plagarizing: don't do it. As to your habit of building up points for doing so little work of your own, I guess that's just okay with enough people on RC.com, that you can keep right on doing it. But, you do a disservice to this site, in my opinion. And, to me it seems unfair to people like Adam, Compclimber, and many others, who bring a lot of genuine experience, and put in a lot of actual effort to make contributions to this site.
I applaud your enthusiasm and excitement for climbing, but I also think you have a lot to learn about it still (in part, judging by many of your posts). One thing that is particularly unattractive in any climber, is spraying. To me, what you're doing is tantamount to spraying about places, routes, and areas that you've not been to enough, or haven't climbed on. In my opinion, since you asked, you should not enter (and therefore get points and "credit") Area, Section, and Route info -and "info" means more than just the name and rating- if you are not actually familiar with it, or have a partner who can pass along first-hand knowledge. If you do enter such an Area, Section or Route, you should be honest about your level of experience with that Area, Section or Route. And you sure as hell should give credit to the guidebook and author from whom you're lifting the information. You certainly couldn't expect to get by with that crap at your university; you shouldn't bring it here, either.
[ This Message was edited by: jds100 on 2001-12-13 12:20 ]
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andy_lemon
Dec 13, 2001, 8:28 PM
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I'm in the process of delting every route that I've entered outside of my states...
congrats!
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jds100
Dec 13, 2001, 8:58 PM
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Well, so others will know, too, you can't remove the info you've entered, and you won't "lose" the points even if you edit away the names and ratings; in fact, it might get you more points for editting an existing route. Only state managers can remove an entry, and I don't know if the points go away or not; I doubt it.
This issue has been discussed, on forums and in PMs with admins. If you're thinking of editting your previously entered info with the thought that I will learn a lesson, your effort is misplaced. If you disagree with my opinion, I'd rather read your disagreements and defenses. If you agree, I'd also like to read that.
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andy_lemon
Dec 13, 2001, 9:03 PM
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I did not edit anyone elses routes except for the routes that I have posted. If people are going to go around thinking I'm plagerizing then I just soon delete everything I put up... so that is what I did.
Your information for Jackson Falls was not touched... I respect my powers as a gold member and I will never abuse prevliges given to me.
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