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talons05
Mar 17, 2003, 7:45 PM
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Ding ding ding! We have a winner...
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jt512
Mar 17, 2003, 10:28 PM
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It looks like some people need to look up what it means to "rip off." At any rate, hopefully nobody is dumb enough to pay $150 for a used Maxim rope, when for about the same price they can get a better rope new.
-Jay
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talons05
Mar 18, 2003, 3:41 AM
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From Merriam-Webster online:
Main Entry: rip-off
Pronunciation: 'rip-"of
Function: noun
Date: 1969
1 : an act or instance of stealing : THEFT; also : a financial exploitation
2 : a usually cheap exploitive imitation
Now, I knew this would be complicated for you, so here is some explanation:
Financial exploitation, as it applies here, means trying to take advantage of someone, I.E. someone who needs money, by offering them less than a fair price. So, if you were to offer someone $50 dollars for a rope that new costs over $200, then that would be financial exploitation, and therefore, according to Webster's definition, a "rip-off."
Does this help?
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jt512
Mar 18, 2003, 3:50 PM
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In reply to: Financial exploitation, as it applies here, means trying to take advantage of someone...
Uh huh. Like trying to sell a used rope for $150 because it hasn't had any "UIAA falls."
-Jay
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talons05
Mar 19, 2003, 1:46 AM
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Did you have problems with math as a child? Because you seem to have problems with basic arithmetic now... Selling a rope for almost $100 dollars less than I paid for it is "ripping someone off?" And why do you seem to be the only one who has a problem with this? Could it be because you're wrong? Just an idea...:idea:
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climbsomething
Mar 19, 2003, 2:27 AM
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Sheesh. The Used Gear forum has had the most excitement of any forum this week! How about it!
Talons, I am going to put a disclaimer in here, so please, take note of it: I am NOT trying to pick a fight with you. I do not wish to offend you. This is just my rational opinion, as a consumer:
$150 for a USED rope is too much. Period. I don't care if it cost $225 new, if it's been dry treated, and that it's only had short falls on it (cos I am sure a rope that has had even ONE Factor 2 fall would be heading permanently to the Rope Retirement Home). It's a USED rope. The depreciation (at least, in terms of resale) on ropes is higher than most other items of gear, given their critical, personal role in climbing. Similarly, ropes are not Twinkies. They just do not have as extended of a shelf life as gear that is made of, say, metal.
You may not be able to find THAT particular rope for $150, but you can find plenty of other quality ropes (new) for $150 or less. Like the person on page 2 (who signed his name as Josh but is under talons05, a bug of some sort I guess) said, I doubt that anybody is going to pay $150 for your used rope.
I see some of your other "software" is/was for sale at a significant discount. The rope should be too. You're just going to have to take the hit if you want it to sell. Sorry, man.
But good luck with your liquidation!
((edit: clarity))
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jt512
Mar 19, 2003, 4:29 AM
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In reply to: Selling a rope for almost $100 dollars less than I paid for it is "ripping someone off?"
It's a used rope, you fucking moron. The fact that you were stupid enough to pay $225 for it is your problem. Anyone can get a new rope as good or better than that Maxim of yours for around $150, the price you're asking for it after it's been used and fallen on.
-Jay
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one900johnnyk
Mar 19, 2003, 12:24 PM
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if you don't want the f'in rope don't sit there and talk about how much you don't want it. what the sh*t is that sh*t??
for anyone interested, i bought ten biners and a rope bag off of him. mailed quickly w/a tracking number and i wonder if the bag has ever been used? biners were in good shape too. thanks a lot man!
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talons05
Mar 24, 2003, 2:57 PM
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Jt512 - tisk, tisk...
However, I must say I'm surprised that it's taken this long for you to resort to name calling. I figured you would say the same thing at least 10 or so more times before you dipped into profanity.
Here's my take on it -
I really don't care if I sell this rope or not. If someone wants to buy it, I can let it go, but if not, I'll just keep on using it. It's not that big of a deal. Some of you, I guess, figure that I am in such a tight spot that you're going to rake in the deals. Not so, I'm selling just enough gear to get by, and the rope is not one of the things I really needed to sell...
Yes, this is the most heated I've ever seen the GEAR FOR SALE forum get...
A.W. :twisted:
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pbjosh
Mar 24, 2003, 5:14 PM
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As Jay said, Gear Express is currently selling a 9.8x60 Maxim for $109. REI.com is selling the same rope for like $107 I think.
You can get a 10.5x60 Edelweiss 11-fall rated rope from GearExpress for $109.
The Ocun ropes are not bailing twine, they're excellent ropes at a phenomenal price.
Right now you can get a Beal 10.2x60m rope from Nomad Ventures in jtree for $129.
So to back up what Jay said, anyone buying a used Maxim rope for $150 is an idiot. The only rope worth more than about $130 (considering that you can get a 10mmx70m dry rope for that) is an edge-proof wall rope from Bluewater, Edelweiss, Roca or Mammut, for which you should be willing to pay $160-$190.
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pbjosh
Mar 24, 2003, 5:16 PM
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My climbing partner is looking at new ropes as we speak. Here are links to new ropes for less than $150:
Sterling 50m's, ~$100
http://www.gx.starvedrockoutfitters.com/...G&Product_Code=13007
http://www.gx.starvedrockoutfitters.com/...G&Product_Code=13066
Bluewater 50m, $100
http://www.rei.com/...0000008001&langId=-1
Maxim 60m, $119
http://www.gx.starvedrockoutfitters.com/...G&Product_Code=14039
Edelweiss 60m (11 falls), $110 (50m=$100)
http://www.gx.starvedrockoutfitters.com/...&Category_Code=EDELW
Bluewater 50m (11 falls), $100
http://www.gx.starvedrockoutfitters.com/...00&Category_Code=BWR
Bluewater 60m, $120
http://www.gx.starvedrockoutfitters.com/...07&Category_Code=BWR
New England Ropes (Maxim), 11mmx60m $127 (10.5x60 $120)
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/...type./qx/product.asp
Maxim 9.8x60m, 7 falls, dry $107
http://www.rei.com/...0000008000&langId=-1
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whichwayisup
Mar 25, 2003, 1:48 AM
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The forum is titles Used Gear / Great Deals not great deals on used gear. If you don't want the rope don't buy it.
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talons05
Mar 26, 2003, 2:31 AM
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Pbjosh - congratulations, you're the 23464372562572354362365.326 th person to mention the fact that cheaper ropes can be found. Thank you for your worthless input.
Also, let me remind you that this is not a discussion thread - if you wish to discuss ropes, you should go to the gear heads forum and enlighten the folks over there.
If you want some gear, make me an offer, if not, feel free to make a fool of yourself.
A.W.
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jt512
Mar 26, 2003, 3:48 AM
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In reply to: If you want some gear, make me an offer, if not, feel free to make a fool of yourself.
Consdering that the same rope you are selling used for $150 can be had new for under $110 (without the bi-color option), why don't you finally admit that you got a little greedy. It's not us that are looking bad here.
-Jay
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Mar 26, 2003, 3:54 AM
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I don't want to buy anything...
Making a fool of myself? Maybe, as long as others laugh though!
The way I see it, you all need to climb a little more and talk a little less.
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Mar 26, 2003, 4:22 AM
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bump
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talons05
Mar 29, 2003, 2:34 AM
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In reply to: Consdering that the same rope you are selling used for $150 can be had new for under $110 (without the bi-color option), why don't you finally admit that you got a little greedy. It's not us that are looking bad here. -Jay
:!: So now I'm greedy because I won't sell the rope for what you want me to? I'm greedy because I don't want to lose even more money? It's MY gear, and like I said before, I'm selling it because I need money for school, not so I can try and profit.
A.W.
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jt512
Mar 29, 2003, 3:50 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Consdering that the same rope you are selling used for $150 can be had new for under $110 (without the bi-color option), why don't you finally admit that you got a little greedy. It's not us that are looking bad here. -Jay :!: So now I'm greedy because I won't sell the rope for what you want me to? I'm greedy because I don't want to lose even more money? It's MY gear, and like I said before, I'm selling it because I need money for school, not so I can try and profit. A.W.
No, you're greedy because you are trying to sell a used rope for the price of a comprable new one, if not more. The only people who would be ignorant enough to buy your rope at anywhere near the price you are asking are ignorant newbies. Furthermore, your justification of your asking price -- that the rope hasn't had any "UIAA falls," only "short sport and trad falls" -- is one that only an ignorant newbie would fall for. So, you are greedy because you are trying to take advantage of ignorant newbies.
-Jay
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talons05
Mar 31, 2003, 3:32 AM
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That's an incorrect assumption on your part.
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rck_climber
Mar 31, 2003, 6:35 PM
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OK guys......
This has gone on long enough and neither of you is going to relent. So just agree to disagree on the rope issue and lets move on.
Let's bring this back on topic; which is either you want the gear (reply is appropriate), or you don't (no need to reply).
Further discussions on the validity of the prices, etc. need to be held in private message or in the community forum if you feel the need to discuss it publicly.
Since you're both moderators as well, I'm sure you'll understand my request to keep things on track here, and I appreciate your help.
Mick
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talons05
Mar 31, 2003, 7:00 PM
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Fair enough.
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jono
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hey man i got my paypal crap set up finally(quickdraws). PM me about the details.
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talons05
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On the way!
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d9durante
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hey there, wondering if you still have those helmets? Oh, and if you have anymore locking D biners?
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