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simzboardr


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What do you think, metolius astros or BD micro stoppers


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HB Offsets
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bigwalling


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Copperhead is right! Get the Hb brass micros.


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In case there was any doubt still let me be the third to say it:

HB Offsets are the schitt.


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LOL...I read your question, thought, "Why, HB's, of course!", and scroll down to read the chorus of like minds...

I have a few bootied other thingies and carry them on my small nut biner though, and find that the variety is sometimes useful for finding the perfect shape.


danl


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ok let me be the first to offer a different opinion.

Depends what you want them for. I find often times that HB offsets are perfect in the perfect placement. They are other wise useless. They are great for bottomed out flaring pin scars and other odd shaped cracks.

However I find that BD micros or RPs are more useful for placements that are more symetrical and small or shallow. One can be often fooled by the exterior shape of the HB. Looking at the placement head on it can appear bomber. however because of the offset shape much of the back of the nut might not make contact with the rock. As in any placement it is worth inspecting it from multiple angles and considering that which can not be seen.

Sometimes i find the radical flare of the HBs often too much. DMM makes peenuts which have a more subtle taper and fit very well.


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HB Offsets for aiding!!!!!


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Another shout out for HB offsets. Especially in the Valley or any granite aid route that has hammered out pin placements. I've found them to be versatile enough in other situations and rarely wish I had a regular tapered nut when climbing trad.

The BD micros have advantages, too. They are made out of "copper-infiltrated steel" (according to BDs website), and are more durable/less maleable than brass stoppers like the HBs or RPs.

Ed


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