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While in most states it's legal to climb in state parks but in Indiana that is another story. I urge all climbers in Indiana to unite and call upon your local Indiana State Rep and Senators to make a new law that allows climbing to be legal in all or at least in some of our state parks.....Climbers are people too


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I am from Indiana....I didn't know there was any climbing in our state parks.......I kind of think the closest climbing to use is the RRG.


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Most of our rock is either located in State parks or Private land . and out Legislation doesn't allow climbing in state parks infact they will take ur gear if they catch u


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yea theres not much here in indiana. theres a place close to bedford called shoals not rrg but tits a nice place to get outside and not many people go there from 5.9's to 5.12's i think then there is maskatituk and thats a nice place to boulder its either in north vernon or in it somehwere over there


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We are aware that they don't allow climbing in State Parks... I've actually wrote my congressman Hostetler and didn't receive a reply. For something to actually come together and work you would need a LARGE group of climbers, larger than the group of people that are interested in climbing in Indiana. If you think of any nobel prize winning ideas to solve this problem we have in Indiana, then please let me know.

The only thing in the past that I could think of was to contact the access fund and see if they would reclaim some state parks/private land for climbers.


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Illinois - within 100 miles from me - All great places to climb

Drapers Bluff, Cedars Bluff, Fyrne Cliff, Giant City, Jackson Falls, Holy Boulders, Dixon Springs, Opie's Kitchen

Kentucky - Within reason and all great places to climb
RRG, Kings Bluff, Dawsons Bluff, Dismal Rock, Foster Falls and everything else around Chatt

Indiana - Hindostan Falls(Shoals) (82 miles) Might as well go to Illinois. Muscatatuck wasn't too bad, but it's just as far for me to RRG.... which one you think wins? Not sure what the status is at Hemlock Cliffs and McBrides Bluff I hear is a choss pile.

Indiana State Parks have always sucked and will always suck because Indiana has no clue what a park is about. They only know how to charge entrance fees.

Don't ask me why I still live here because I don't even know why!


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Indiana State Parks have always sucked and will always suck because Indiana has no clue what a park is about. They only know how to charge entrance fees.

Easy there, uh, ol boy... Indiana isn't that bad of a place. Cliffty Falls is rather amazing but it is a long haul for us. Wyandote Woods we know that it is prestine concidering that we live with the dirtiest air in America (burn more coal please, my lungs can take more!) and the park sits right on the Ohio River. It is located about an hour and a half from us, and the park has the 2nd longest hiking trail in Indiana. The Blue River, one of the cleanest and prettiest rivers in Indiana, runs through the park. Anyhow, we can talk parks all day...

The point here is we need to do something about access to climbers in Indiana... the climbers who can't make it to Kentucky or Illinois within a 2 hour drive.


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I've checked out Clifty Falls. Honestly, I wasn't too impressed. All the main attractions are 1/4 mile from the road which means kids, kids and more kids, cell phones, kids, more phones.. and did I mention kids. I considered going back to check out the main trail, but I had to ask myself why when there are so many better places in IL and KY where crowds won't go and you won't have to pay.

I have been wanting to do a canoe trip down the Blue River for a long time now, but everyone that says they'll go ditches at the last minute.

Oh yeah... the climbers. I say we all form an Indiana Climbers Gang and just start taking over other States crags... LOL!


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Most of the good rock in indiana lies on private land and hoosier natl forest. not in the state parks . most of the rock in our state parks is choss. there are good cliffs in some the nature preserves but that is off limits also. One the best areas Kickapoo falls was closed by land owner over 10 years ago. Hundostin has about 10 sport routes 5.6 to 5.12+. and two good cracks. kentucky does not allow climbing on most or all of there state parks either. case in point that is why climbing is not allowed at pocket wall in rrg because it was purchased by natural bridge state park a few years ago. so indiana is not the only state bans climbing at state parks.


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One the best areas Kickapoo falls was closed

What was the other place called that was closed? The place were Lynn Hill climbed? The arch or something?

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All the main attractions are 1/4 mile from the road which means kids, kids and more kids, cell phones, kids, more phones.. and did I mention kids.

Yeh, you definately need to go backpacking at Wyandote Woods and hop on the 27 mile Adventure Hiking Trail. It is really nice, get off the beaten path and just go with a map in hand. No kids, No kids, No kids. Do yourself a favor though, don't go to Wyandote Woods expecting to pick up a map there... all they have of the trail is a topo that has been photocopied. All the elevation lines run into the trail, points of interest are blended in with everything black, etc. Pick up a map elsewhere! :shock:


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Don't forget about Charleston State Park. It's got what looks like some decent rock off the trail, especially off trails # 3 & 1. However, it's hard to be sure of the quality b/c YOU CAN"T FRICKIN CLIMB THERE!!! :x

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I've checked out Clifty Falls. Honestly, I wasn't too impressed. All the main attractions are 1/4 mile from the road which means kids, kids and more kids, cell phones, kids, more phones.. and did I mention kids.

Well what do you expect when you only go 1/4 mile from the road in a state park? Solitude? There are some very large (for Indiana) cliffs that also appear to have decent rock. However, again it is hard to be sure b/c YOU CAN"T CLIMB THERE!!! :x There's also a few decent (if easy) bouldering problems there.

As for Wyandotte Woods, there might be some good bouldering there, but I doubt that there's any roped climbing. I do agree that the Adventure Trail is cool, though. It's better than the Knobstone Trail, IMHO.

Without a doubt, the best technical adventures in Indiana are located underground! 8)


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Well what do you expect when you only go 1/4 mile from the road in a state park? Solitude?

Nobody said I was expecting solitude only going 1/4 mile off the road. My point is that all the worthwhile sites have been given way to easy access. The backwoods trail passes through the same sites so you never get solitude on it either. Also, if you look at the backwoods trail it really doesn't get far enough from the road to matter anyway, you'll still have to deal with all the noise. The other issue I noticed was so many "don't go here signs" that it distracted from the scenery. It truely is a piss poor trail system. The only road in the place should have been located along the far east border which would have created longer approaches for the sites, split up the crowds a bit and created a more remote feeling while on the trails. Indiana is more concerned about money though then creating a true nature park. I can only imagine how screwed up the Red River Gorge would be if Indiana owned it. Every site in the place would be setup like Sky Bridge.

I will agree.. The best Indiana playgrounds are all underground.


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hey, where is clifty falls located? i hear the rep is bad but a few of us wanna go check it out one weekend. thanks


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I can't say I've ever found any good rock in ANY state parks in Indiana worth uniting for.
There are only a few places mentioned here about Indiana climbing...
That's because most of the rock is choss.
Go to Hindostan or muscatatuck, otherwise go outside the state.


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Clifty Falls is located in Madison Indiana.

http://www.in.gov/...rks/cliftyfalls.html

Might as well check out Muscatatuck Park also which is only 24 miles north of Madison on SR7.

http://www.muscatatuckpark.com/


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