Forums: Climbing Information: Access Issues & Closures:
Cattle grazing threatens access in So.Cal.
RSS FeedRSS Feeds for Access Issues & Closures

Premier Sponsor:

 


sprocket


Jul 29, 2003, 4:02 PM
Post #1 of 11 (2552 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Jan 13, 2003
Posts: 77

Cattle grazing threatens access in So.Cal.
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (0 ratings)  
Can't Post

I am writing this piece to inform all those concerned with continued access to climbs on public land.

I recently attended a meeting on future land use for my area (West Mojave) region. The future use plan was discussed as a document for protection of wildlife. But in reality, it seems its a cover for a "close the land" policy similar to northern califonia and probably the other 300 million acres leased by the US today.And to allow continued grazing for private parties at public expense.
You can get a copy of the plan from the blm sent for free.It is two volumes and weighs about twenty pounds.I belive it is subtley designed make people not want to read it.


mungeclimber


Aug 22, 2003, 8:21 PM
Post #2 of 11 (2552 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Nov 1, 2002
Posts: 648

Re: Cattle grazing threatens access in So.Cal. [In reply to]
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (0 ratings)  
Can't Post

links to articles?

links to gov resources?

phone numbers?

more info?


collegekid


Aug 22, 2003, 9:25 PM
Post #3 of 11 (2552 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Jul 6, 2002
Posts: 1852

Re: Cattle grazing threatens access in So.Cal. [In reply to]
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (0 ratings)  
Can't Post

is it really such a good idea to have everyone post their personal info on a public forum?


corpse


Aug 23, 2003, 6:36 AM
Post #4 of 11 (2552 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Jan 17, 2003
Posts: 822

Re: Cattle grazing threatens access in So.Cal. [In reply to]
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (0 ratings)  
Can't Post

In reply to:
is it really such a good idea to have everyone post their personal info on a public forum?

What personal information?? mungeclimber climber is asking for phone numbers not of the poster, but to either get more information on the potential closing or on who to call to complain.


tripperjm


Aug 23, 2003, 7:43 AM
Post #5 of 11 (2552 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Jun 7, 2002
Posts: 10650

Re: Cattle grazing threatens access in So.Cal. [In reply to]
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (0 ratings)  
Can't Post

Where exactly are we talking about? More info please.


sprocket


Aug 25, 2003, 10:59 AM
Post #6 of 11 (2552 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Jan 13, 2003
Posts: 77

Re: Cattle grazing threatens access in So.Cal. [In reply to]
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (0 ratings)  
Can't Post

Ok, here is te adress for the comments on cattle grazing and the access issues in the area of public land inbetween La and the sierras.

west mojave plan
22835 calle san juan de los lagos
moreno valley ca 92553


wpy71


Aug 25, 2003, 11:15 AM
Post #7 of 11 (2552 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Oct 31, 2002
Posts: 195

Re: Cattle grazing threatens access in So.Cal. [In reply to]
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (0 ratings)  
Can't Post

This seems a bit strange to me. While I don't agree with grazing cattle on public land, it rarely results in access issues. Persons with grazing leases on BLM and forest service lands typically must allow access for recreational users. One is usually required to go through a gate, or over a cattle guard, end of story. How is cattle grazing affecting access in the situation you are referring to?


Partner artm


Aug 25, 2003, 12:18 PM
Post #8 of 11 (2552 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Jun 22, 2001
Posts: 17990

Re: Cattle grazing threatens access in So.Cal. [In reply to]
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (0 ratings)  
Can't Post

http://www.ca.blm.gov/cdd/wemo.html


sprocket


Aug 25, 2003, 12:27 PM
Post #9 of 11 (2552 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Jan 13, 2003
Posts: 77

Re: Cattle grazing threatens access in So.Cal. [In reply to]
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (0 ratings)  
Can't Post

The deadline for pubilc comment is september 12th.


sprocket


Aug 25, 2003, 1:00 PM
Post #10 of 11 (2552 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Jan 13, 2003
Posts: 77

Re: Cattle grazing threatens access in So.Cal. [In reply to]
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (0 ratings)  
Can't Post

Bottom line is that climbers need to be a voice in the issues that envolve any public land because it is our land.Its is best to be honest and in the long run we we be respected as legal users of public land.And they wont close off land for grazing If there is a demand for use.
I have personally seen the dramatic decrease of plants and animals in the climbing areas in the west mojave region.I and many people belive that the new cattle grazing allotments are unnessesarly hazardous to the safety of all life in the area.It is not known buy the blm what effects the cows have on our future because all the blm wants is more money.And the peoples opinion matters the most.
Many areas are not known as climbing areas to the blm because they are sort of secret.


sprocket


Aug 27, 2003, 3:23 PM
Post #11 of 11 (2552 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Jan 13, 2003
Posts: 77

Re: Cattle grazing threatens access in So.Cal. [In reply to]
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (0 ratings)  
Can't Post

On the short term this is an enviromental issue,and the long term an access issue.California cows are not happy.


Forums : Climbing Information : Access Issues & Closures

 


Search for (options)

Log In:

Username:
Password: Remember me:

Go Register
Go Lost Password?



Follow us on Twiter Become a Fan on Facebook