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fracture
Aug 11, 2003, 10:29 PM
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Does anyone know if a list of all the bowline variants used for harness tie-ins is available somewhere (ideally with some comparision of relative advantages/disadvantages)? I've tried googling for this information, but haven't found much... I am aware of the single bowline (not recommended, no?), yosemite bowline, double bowline with a bowline backup, retraced bowline, and some other double bowline variant which tucks the tail back up to the top (I don't know what it's called). Are there others which I'm not aware of (probably)? Which ones are better? -Jordan
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rocknmedic
Aug 26, 2003, 4:03 AM
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Is there a reason to be stuck on the bowline? I know its a good knot, but I am personally a bigger fan of the "8's" they are a stronger knot and I havent had them loosen when untesioned like I have the bowlines I have used. Not meaning any offense just asking.....
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ropeburn
Aug 26, 2003, 4:56 AM
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8's are a bitch to untie after you take a nice whipper on them. dunt, da, dunt da!!!! In comes the bowline..... Take lots of whippers, and untie without pumping out...... perfect! :mrgreen:
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onelung
Aug 26, 2003, 8:34 AM
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Hey Folks, I am done with the 8. I have tied over 10,000 bowlines in my life (check the Pirate thread) Not one single bowline I have tied has ever come undone. And these knots hold two boats over 200,000 lbs( in seas over 10 ft on the Pacific)......so do I trust a bowline...hell yea. But cuz we climbin folk... I add a little extra caution. When a bowline is complete I rethread the knot and finish with a fishermans knot. Anybody think that is not the best knot to ty into to? I'd like to know why. Cheers, bill
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fishypete
Aug 26, 2003, 10:01 AM
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The argument that bowlines are less strong, is a very weak one. 1) The difference in strength between a bowline and an 8 is not major, and in any case varies from rope to rope 2) More importantly, the strength is quite irrelevant, as it is unheard of for a rope to break at the tie-in knot. They are amply strong in any case. There is nothing wrong with a single bowline. However they do not give you the full advantage of a double bowline, which is the ease of untieing after a fall. As with the 8, backups are not necessary, however can be cosmtetically useful to finish-off the end of the rope. I like the yosemite finish, as it also improves the ease of untieing. Bowline = great knot. Learn it. Practise it. Use it. Fishy.
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dirtineye
Aug 26, 2003, 10:16 AM
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Is this a game to see how many bowline thrads can be run at once on this board? http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=37659 http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=38236 http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=37649
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