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mitchal
Feb 9, 2002, 10:26 PM
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Hi Mas,
I have a cliff on the other side of the mountain I live on.Neversink Mt.I have three of my own routes that I like to climb,in addition to one that is bolted for toproping by someone else previously.These"routes" are the ones I have been concentrating on for 6 months when it's warm enough.I don't have any marks to tell me where the "best"holds are and I think that makes it all the more challenging.It helps me get better at reading the rock.I now climb it in a totaly diffrent way than when I had first begun.The boulders here are the same way,after a good rain all the chalk is gone and I am forced to think again.No telltale signs that say"GRAB HERE!!!!"once you climb your routes enough times you will be able to do it in your sleep,although I personally discourage doing that.Besides,marking the rock takes away from the natural beauty of it,remember LEAVE NO TRACE.
Climb Happy
Mitch
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pianomahnn
Feb 9, 2002, 10:27 PM
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Don't trash the rock.
The outdoors are not an indoor gym.
And besides, outdoor climbing shouldn't be about seeing everything. If you want a route all laid out right in your face, go to the gym.
I can only assume you'll get the same responses from others, along with some hostile remarks as well.
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addiroids
Feb 9, 2002, 10:55 PM
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I usually use blood, skin, DNA, hair. You know, what ever flakes off.
TRADitionally yours,
Addiroids
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theamish
Feb 9, 2002, 10:59 PM
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Before we all jump on our soap boxes and start lecturing like some evangelist about what is right or wrong we probably should clarify whether or not he owns this rock. While I love nature and don't think permanent markings are a good idea, I also believe if this is his property it is his right to do with it as he sees fit.
If you need to mark it try using vinyl strips held in place with melted wax .. it should hold good and when you get tired of it, you can remove it.
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andy_lemon
Feb 9, 2002, 11:18 PM
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If you can't remember where the routes are at then write it down in a notebook... make a couple of drawings... shoot, put it up on this site.
Also, it is an art to remember move for move the route that lay before you. You can remember the moves on some routes so well that it will make you look like a "God" or "Goddess" when someone sees you climbing them. So practice, practice, practice until you can recite word for word in your head the moves.
Don't hurt the rock, never hurt the rock... the rock can't paint you so don't paint it.
Andy
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jules
Feb 10, 2002, 3:54 PM
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I like outdoor climbing better then indoor because the routes aren't so well-defined; you have to think a little more. You can use whatever's there instead of what other people have decided you can use.
Marking an outdoor route would take away from the experience; I would never do this.
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kaptk
Feb 22, 2002, 8:54 AM
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I don't think that you should mark the route.
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kman
Feb 22, 2002, 9:14 AM
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Too much time in the gym!? Why would you want to mark the route? It takes away from the outdoor experience. Plenty of marked routes at the gym.
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kagunkie
Feb 22, 2002, 9:36 AM
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One soloution is to use a hammer and chisel to engrave you'r initials into each place you want to mark. Just chisel them in and then take some good (lead based) deck paint maby white would be a good color but any light color will do and using an artists brush paint the initials in being carefull to stay inside the lines of course. Marking it in this way will insure that your "vertical trail" will last longer than you do insuring you'r place in climbing history for generations to come. Good luck and have fun!
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joemor
Feb 25, 2002, 12:25 AM
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kagunkie, i hope u were being sarcastic, i hate seeing carved innitials at climbs, its just plain vandalism.
when i climb, and the crux is over hanging and i cant do it, i dynamite it off to make a nice slab climb, and when i find the holds are too small i chisel them bigger and mark them with red paint and every assent i make i chisel my name so every one knows how good i am.......
i was being sarcastic, hope u were too any way if the climb is near your house and u climb it enough youll get to know it, or if you need make your own guide book and draw a picture, anyway hope it helps
your hold chipping mate
joe
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sizzlechest
Feb 25, 2002, 12:35 AM
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Marked routes outside, you got to be freakin jokin, go back to the gym pal !!!!!!!!!
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noal
Feb 25, 2002, 2:04 AM
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Emergency orange spray paint...arrayed in the patern of a one foot wide (at a minimum)long ended arrow. But in case this is missed or for some reason isn't visible, I recommend tapping a wide bolt hold at least within a 6 inch radius of the hold, and installing a lowjack...this also prevents getting confused is someone removes that section of rock and relocates it to a diffrent section of the climb...and never be too careful of checking before you begin your accent...they might have filled the hole with a cleverly disguised fake rock patch! Hope this helps
Me
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greatgarbanzo
Feb 25, 2002, 2:08 AM
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Isn`t chalk marks enough?
Personally I will discourage you to mark the route(s)... but if the rock is your property you may go to the restroom on it if you want...
Keep it natural... your best choice...
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joemor
Feb 25, 2002, 2:17 AM
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go noal u got the right idea
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noal
Feb 25, 2002, 2:50 AM
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Thanks...Hey I like the one about dynamiting the overhangs. Another good one is taking a dump on crittical holds on hangs and slabs...then getting back a little with a camera and waiting for the next climber Always a classic
Noal
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joemor
Feb 25, 2002, 2:59 AM
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damn thats the funniest thing ive read for a while.u no i always climb with earth moving equiptment so i can "bulldoze" an easy first assent
joe
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noal
Feb 25, 2002, 3:36 AM
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Another thing is that in case you forget your route all together and can't find any of the holds...it's usually helpfull to place bolts all the way up in a latter patern, that way if all else fails you can just climb them! I've managed to pull off some pretty crazy 5.15's, and this has definetly been my secret to success
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jmlangford
Feb 25, 2002, 4:02 AM
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That emergency orange spray paint is a good idea but it doesn't last on the rock long-it is water based. You have to get a can of vinyl paint and somehow get to the top of the climb (hike around or something). Then you let it flow down the rock and it kind of follows the contours and nooks and crannies-usually where the biggest, easiest holds are. Makes some great-looking modern art too! Won a couple of ribbons at the county fair with the pictures I took of my paintings.
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kahuna3602
Feb 25, 2002, 4:19 AM
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Don't paint the rock, it's not good karma. Memorize the route if you must, try different variations to make it easier or harder. Leave the tape indoors.
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jmlangford
Feb 25, 2002, 4:27 AM
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Hey Kahuna, just when I think I'm being funny, you come along and give a good, serious, answer. You're right, leave the markings inside.
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treyr
Feb 25, 2002, 12:27 PM
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I use colored electrical tape and it works great. I highly reccomend it. I hope it works for you.
Trob
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ironmask
Feb 25, 2002, 3:42 PM
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I have a friend, I wont mention the name of that old BOY... Anyway, we were hiking with some friends behind us who had about as much woodcraft as a styrofoam cup. When we came to a fork in the trail, we were sure that they would not catch the sublty of an arrow out of sticks or pebbles, so what does my pal do? He whips out a packet of TANG and makes a small arrow on the ground. Worked like a charm. Folks found us and the next Next day there were no signs, other than some fat, happy ants....
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spank_spank
Feb 25, 2002, 8:35 PM
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Spraypaint always works well with me. Then If I can't do the problem I break out the chisel. Give me a break.
This has to be the most ignorant question I have ever read on a board.
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woodse
Feb 25, 2002, 10:31 PM
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Paint little arrows to the next hold and be sure to write below them: "This Way Dumbass!"
woodsE
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upfreak
Feb 26, 2002, 1:01 AM
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How true... just go natural
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