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janr
Dec 12, 2003, 11:33 PM
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Anybody have feedback about the Yates aid ladders? They look comfy and easy to use, but is 2" webbing bulky and cumbersome? What about the "speed" version, made out of 1" webbing?
I was hoping to try out the Russian system, but nobody's producing it.
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ricardol
Dec 12, 2003, 11:42 PM
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the yates ladders are great .. and comfy ..
just about anything that yates makes is wall worthy ..
FISH will be making russian aiders in the future .. (thought not sure what future that is)
-- ricardo
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janr
Dec 12, 2003, 11:56 PM
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Thanks, Ricardo. I know about the vague promise of Fish Russian aiders.
Any feedback from someone who has done more than one wall?
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dsafanda
Dec 13, 2003, 12:01 AM
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Have any only done a couple of walls with Yates wall ladders but I love them. I only use two. The big steps make it really easy match feet if necessary. I find four Yates wall ladders to be a bit too cumbersome but I haven't been climbing anything harder than C2. Perhaps on harder terrain you would want four.
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copperhead
Dec 13, 2003, 12:46 AM
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In reply to: Any feedback from someone who has done more than one wall?
Ouch! That was harsh...
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karlbaba
Dec 13, 2003, 1:54 AM
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I have Yates wall ladders and love em' I agree that four might be cumbersome although a set of wall ladders means one long one and a shorter sub aider.
For a route with lots of free climbing and less aid, I might be inclined to go with lighter, less bulky aiders. For the continuous aid, they're great. ]
Still waiting to test out the Russian Aiders.
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Karl
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janr
Dec 13, 2003, 2:03 AM
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What do you mean by "a shorter sub aider"? The Yates ladders come in a 70" six step model (already longer than most other aiders) and an even longer 81" seven step version.
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karlbaba
Dec 13, 2003, 7:13 AM
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Yates used to sell a 4 step sub-aider ladder with spreader bar as a companion to their regular sized ladder. I just checked their site and don't see em selling it anymore so I guess it's history. The 7 step ladder is new as well.
Someone who was interested in keeping the bulk down might pair a wall ladder with one of Yates shorter Etriers at
http://www.yatesgear.com/climbing/bigwall/etriers/1etriers.htm#1
Sorry for the outdated info
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janr
Dec 13, 2003, 6:48 PM
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Thanks for the info, Karl. I guess one could also just take scissors to a longer ladder.
Funny thing, though. Your profile photo seems to show you aiding with two six step ladders.
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ricardol
Dec 13, 2003, 7:26 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Any feedback from someone who has done more than one wall? Ouch! That was harsh...
for a sec i though i was being overly sensitive .. hehe .. i'm glad someone else thought so too ..
:-) .. try the ladders .. you'll like them ..
-- ricardo
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janr
Dec 13, 2003, 7:40 PM
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"i though i was being overly sensitive"
Naw, Ricardo, I tend to be obnoxious. No real offense intended. Besides, it's possible to have climbed numerous walls with the same system and have a perspective no wider than someone new to the game.
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retired
Dec 13, 2003, 8:15 PM
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two walls and multiple shorter aid routes in mine and I'm very happy. They are already showing a bit of wear, which surprised me. I also use only two but with the adjustable daisies it hasn't been a problem at all.
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karlbaba
Dec 13, 2003, 8:58 PM
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In reply to: Thanks for the info, Karl. I guess one could also just take scissors to a longer ladder. Funny thing, though. Your profile photo seems to show you aiding with two six step ladders.
Yup, it's better on a traversing pitch like that to be able to stay lower in your aiders so I used two six step aiders.
I like to use the aider-sub-aider set but have an additional aider on my butt for traverses-leaving for free climbing-whatnot and keep a backup in the haul bag too
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tim
Dec 13, 2003, 10:12 PM
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In reply to: Still waiting to test out the Russian Aiders.
They rule. You can use mine in the spring as long as you don't charge me for the privelege ;-)
(I mean for a day wall or some such. You can keep them permanently if I crater, I guess.)
I just sold my Wall Ladders this week. They were the best regular style aiders I ever used, but there is just no comparing them to Russians. Even a meek guy like me can topstep on awkward hook placements in Russians, and if I were smart and had an extra ''aid-tree'' I think I would be unstoppable.
PS. Mine are Fish-Trango hybrids so don't think Russ is full of shit. He has already made some aid-trees Fish-style with thicker nylon (instead of ultratape) webbing. It's the cuffs that he's still working on, apparently. There is room for improvement in those anyways -- better buckles, stiffer hooks, and integration with eg. Arcteryx-style telemark kneepads so you can rest at belays. I guess I'm a masochist cause even though I own a butt bag, I always tend to stand in my aiders at belays and bitch at my partner to go faster ;-)
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climbingbetty22
Jan 7, 2004, 10:43 PM
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Is there any appreciable difference between the regular wall lasdders and the speed ladders. I mean can you climb aid just as well in the speed aiders? I like that fact that they are lighter, but in my book safety usually takes prioirty over weight..so I was just curious about the difference in the two models....
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smithclimber
Jan 7, 2004, 11:12 PM
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In reply to: Is there any appreciable difference between the regular wall lasdders and the speed ladders. I mean can you climb aid just as well in the speed aiders? I like that fact that they are lighter, but in my book safety usually takes prioirty over weight..so I was just curious about the difference in the two models....
Climbingbetty22, they are identical except for this: the Wall Ladders have 2" webbing for the steps and the Speed Ladders have 1" webbing for the steps. Also, the Speed Ladders have multicolored steps (top is red, 2nd step is orange, 3rd is yellow, 4th is green, etc.) for quick identification/recognition.
So, both types are equally safe. The Speed Ladder is slightly lighter (and less bulky) than the Wall Ladders. That being the case, even the Speed Ladder will be heavier than just about all other etriers. It's just the nature of ladder style aiders, they're heavier than the staggered-step etrier design, but ohh soo sweet to use.
One more vote for the Wall Ladders.
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