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bpullan
Dec 18, 2003, 4:49 AM
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I have used the Hilti TE-10 and the Bosch, both 24 volts i think, to bolt. Both drills are quite costly. Black and Decker has a new 24 volt cordless hammer drill out on the market for only $270.00 plus tax. It comes with two batteries, charger and all the bits.
Has anyone used this new drill?
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socalbolter
Dec 18, 2003, 5:12 AM
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i spoke with someone a few months back that had one. he seemed happy with it and had no real complaints. however it did not seem to drill as many holes as the other, more expensive drills.
high-end power tools are one example of the "you get what you pay for" cliche. i'm sure that this tool works fine, but will it last as long as the others? put up with the same abuse? be as easy to handle while on the rock? i'm not sure.
if you're thinking of purchasing this tool keep in mind that the industrial division of black and decker makes the same tools (in a different housing) as dewalt. check prices on both comparable models before buying.
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time44teens
Dec 18, 2003, 6:12 AM
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whats drilling...? :roll:
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copperhead
Dec 18, 2003, 6:58 AM
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You guys with power drills are a bunch of cheaters!!!
Drill bit technology?
Who cares? You've got power!
How 'bout you step up 'n hand-drill yer next route, eh?
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boltdude
Dec 18, 2003, 7:08 AM
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Hey copperhead, leave 'em alone - sport climbing wouldn't even exist without power drills!
There's a great quote out of one of the Bishop guides - says something like:
"This wall was one of the first sport climbing areas in Bishop, although at the time sport climbing meant top-roping..."
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climbbaja
Dec 18, 2003, 9:57 AM
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Whatever you decide to purchase, if you plan to do much drilling, I would recommend a heavy duty tool which has an SDS chuck and electro-pneumatic hammer mechanism. Anything less would be for light duty, occasional use. These features will bump up the price.
My experience is that the Hilti overpriced, is hard to find parts for, (and impossible for an older model). The Bosch is top quality and parts are available. The older model Bosch "Bulldog" strips down light and compact if you plan to use a remote battery pack (fanny pack with extension cord). The newer Bosch "Annihilator" is potent with the optional 3.0 amp-hour factory ni-cad battery pack (1.7ah is standard).
I tried to find the specs on the B&D hammer drill w/o success. DeWalt makes a 24v, electro-pneumatic w/ SDS chuck, includes two battery packs, model #DW005K-2 see specs & photo at
http://www.dewalt.com/us/products/tool_detail.asp?productID=3104
$529 sale price at http://store.yahoo.com/tylertool/dewdwheavdut.html
or for $379 check out a reconditioned tool
http://store.yahoo.com/tylertool/dewdwrec24vs.html
I don't think $270 will get you a heavy duty rotohammer. I have no experience with the B&D or DeWalt, so can't recommend it.
If you want firepower and are willing to pay for it, go with the Bosch Annihilator. $638 advertised price for the kit, includes 3.0ah battery, extra battery, fast battery recharger. Aviation Industrial Supply 1-800-748-1945 or (303) 355-2391.
Hope this helps...
-John
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copperhead
Dec 18, 2003, 10:22 AM
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Oh, sorry. Wrong thread... :wink:
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copperhead
Dec 18, 2003, 10:23 AM
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Oh, sorry. Wrong thread... :wink:
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wrbill
Dec 18, 2003, 10:34 AM
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I got the Ryobi hammer drill (HD 1800M) at the 1st of the year and have drilled about 10 sport routes this year and put up six to eight TR anchors. The drill is a 18V and has been working great for me. I can get about 6 to 10 bolts per battery, it depends on the type of rock. I paid $129 at Home Depot and it came with the drill a flashlight, two batteries and the charger.
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rockprodigy
Dec 18, 2003, 3:00 PM
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When you are comparing these drills, keep in mind the size of holes being drilled and the rock type.
"I got 6-10 holes" means absolutely nothing.
What rock type will you be drilling in? If it will be hard rock (quartzite or granite), you should get a heavy-duty drill (Bosch or Hilti), not a toy.
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crushingfinger
Jan 3, 2004, 4:48 AM
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I have been using a ryobi gas powered drill and its 12 pounds of hell but it will drill a hole to china if I want to! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: HA HA HA bolt the planet :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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smkyrobinson
Jan 14, 2004, 7:03 PM
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Go, on ebay find a Te6a 36 volt hilti or a 24 volt Bosch Annihilator, you should be able to find one pretty cheap, i picked up my hilti for 200 bucks brand new, i know this is'nt typical but you should find a Bosch in that range,
the Bosch is great, reliable and fast make sure you get a 3.0 ah battery though or you'll be very dissapointed in how fast it calls it quits. the Bosch battery charger is also weak and tends to not fully recharge the larger battery.
The Hilti is one badass power tool it has an amazingly comfortable grip and operater comfort is killer, it drills without even being pushed on, it runs a 12 amp motor on 36 volts so its power reserves are more than double the annihilator, but you will pay more.
having owned both I would say find a hilti, but either will work great, and if your not crag building, but just putting a few things in once in a while save your money and get the bosch
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rockprodigy
Jan 14, 2004, 9:06 PM
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In reply to: it drills without even being pushed on
I hate to nitpick, but you really shouldn't push on on any power tool.
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elvis
Jan 18, 2004, 1:04 PM
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I just bought the dewalt dwoo5k mentioned further up this thread and tested on a piece of test rock I have at home I got 6x 10mm x 100mm and 6x 12mm x 100mm holes in hard sandstone before the battery died you get an extra battery in the pack and i bought an additional I going to try it out in the field on tuesday give you an update but so far I am happy
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hosh
Jan 21, 2004, 8:24 PM
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I'm a little out of the loop, but aren't there areas where you can't use power drills? From what I've heard, you can't drill in J-tree, right? I've always been interested in getting a bolting kit, but I've been looking for a hand operated drill. I know it's a lot more work, but I've always just figured that that's the cost...
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slakkerjr
Jan 21, 2004, 9:21 PM
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As a construction worker I have to say Dewalt is the best drill. High quality.
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smkyrobinson
Feb 2, 2004, 6:07 AM
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Dewault, better than a hilti??? come on man , there all good but hilti is miles above the other drills in evry way, if you can find a "Spit" made in Spain, thats the best there is 3lbs lighter than any 24 volt and drills three times as long
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tanslacks
Feb 2, 2004, 6:23 AM
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Hang in there Hosh. You are not out of the loop, just a part of a dying breed. Cherish the quiet of the outdoors. I am sure these people with power drills drive quads to the crags and snowmobiles to the mountains. Ah, the sound of a 2 stroke :shock:
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okinawatricam
Feb 2, 2004, 9:12 AM
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In reply to: ryobi gas powered drill and its 12 pounds
I have been considering going to gas for bolting. How hot those that thing get? I mean the motor.
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timstich
Feb 2, 2004, 9:26 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: ryobi gas powered drill and its 12 pounds I have been considering going to gas for bolting. How hot those that thing get? I mean the motor.
I'm sure the tiny muffler gets super hot, so don't holster it and let it touch your leg. Of course the drill bit gets super hot as well and is unpleasant to come into contact with right out of the hole. Fumes are terrible with gas drills and they can be a royal pain to start if you don't maintain the engine and fuel systems, just like any small engine.
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ullr
Feb 2, 2004, 6:02 PM
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In reply to: Originally posted by Tanslacks I am sure these people with power drills drive quads to the crags and snowmobiles to the mountains. Ah, the sound of a 2 stroke
Ha! Another hypocrite speaks!
Where do you draw you ethical line in the sand? Do you drive your car to the crags, or ride your bike? Have you ever clipped a bolt placed by someone using a powerdrill?
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brianinslc
Feb 2, 2004, 6:12 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: ryobi gas powered drill and its 12 pounds I have been considering going to gas for bolting. How hot those that thing get? I mean the motor.
The manifold gets very hot. Can be a bummer to drill with, if you're on rappel and need to jostle around with the drill hanging loose. If it rolls over and the manifold contacts your leg...ouch! Smell of burning flesh.
The Ryobi is heavy and bulky, but, seems to perform very well. I'd think perfect for when a battery powered drill isn't a realistic option. Seems pretty easy to tune up (adjust the jets) too.
Brian in SLC
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sarcat
Feb 2, 2004, 6:44 PM
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Hilti products are by far the best in quality but you will pay the price. My company spends $KKs with the local Hilti rep. and he has always helped me whenever needed with the TE-25, TE-6, PD-25, and the my new TE-6-A 36v. cordless drill that does 890 rpm and up to 5,000 blows/min. It comes with an optional belt battery to reduce the weight of the drill to 4.6 lbs. I've gotten 40+ 1/2"x4" holes in rock with a charge.
There is cheaper but it won't last as long. My workers have purchased Bosch in the past because of the price but they lasted a year or so in REAL industrial use. We have a Hilti TE-24 that's going on 7 years in the same environment.
Hilti makes a TE-5-A 24v. cordless also... less $$ but less holes and same weight. Stick with the TE2 SDS bits. They can do up to 200 holes each where the Home Depot ones may to 80-90 (in rock not concrete).
Hope this helps.
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bolthappy
Feb 15, 2004, 4:28 PM
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I have used them all.
Bosch annihilator good drill for the money
Hilti , the best, hits hard ,lasts a long time , a lot more money , the 24 volt makes a nice turbo charge.
Ryobi gas , drill a whole crag in a day, too bad they do not make them any longer.
Dewalt ,I work construction everything I get by dewalt does not last , and Hitli does twice the job in half the time.
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